Pavliks Hometown Interview after the Fight

Martinez is the superior fighter, and he proved it. That doesn't change the fact that Pavlik was turning the fight around, that it was competitive, that a rematch is warranted, etc.

There's just no need for the hate. Pathetic.

 

Double standards on who?

 

Fair enough.
I'll give Pavlik another shot.
He did look competitive up until the cut and blood in your eye will lock you up. So yeah, could be that.

 

Nobody wants to see Pavlik get beaten again. He's irrelevant. Martinez v Williams II is the fight everybody wants now.

 

Much better, thanks

 

Some people had Martinez beating Williams by the same margin that he beat Pavlik. It was a competitive fight until the later rounds. To hear some of the comments running around ESB, you'd have thought he'd been shut out by a one-legged old granny. It was 115-112, or 115-111 at widest.

Who do you think? The guy comes out and does an interview where he's perfectly gentlemanly to his opponent, and simply makes the claim that he felt he could have won the fight had it not been for the cut (unlikely, but not impossible by any means), and he catches the kind of ****-storm never seen since the Ten Plagues. We have fighters running around all over the floor for 15 minutes to get their opponent DQ'd after they catch a glancing rabbit punch; we have guys cynically weighing in x pounds over the limit; we have guys squeaking past opponent after opponent but getting away with referring to them as "weasels"who "boxed so negatively" blah blah blah and they get less **** than this guy. The latter of them actually gets hero-worship from you and now you think he suddenly has head movement on a part with Roberto Duran!

 

Martinez didn't look so great vs Williams. Williams got whupped by Quintana. So yeah Pavlik might look better second time around.

 

Seems to me that he's planning to move up to 168, where he'll undoubtedly get KTFO.

 

We did it [losing the weight] the right way. We even had a nutritionist. But pretty much once I got to 163, it was almost impossible to lose those last three pounds. "" Has anyone notice a pattern here?"DLH use a nutritionist and look weak and horrible now Pavlik. Why don't boxer just stick to what they know! Make the weight once ,just like they always have by sweating it off the last few days.

 

Martinez v Williams was a draw or a point either way. It was a toss-up. You could have easily justified either guy winning. That isn't the case here. Pavlik lost and there is no way around that.

'Perfectly gentlemanly'? By sitting there directly after and claiming that his opponent would have lost if he didn't have the cut? Martinez beat him fair and square and it's as simple as that, and it was from a punch so there's nothing about it, it's like the people who complain at the Vitali cut loss to Lewis. It was a cut caused by a punch and it happens and there's nothing wrong with it. He lost, get over it.

Which is both a substantial claim and irrelevant. Martinez caused the cut with his gloves, and was taking rounds off him before that even happened. It is disrespectful to Martinez because he's trying to justify why he lost in excuses rather than truely admitting he was beaten by the better man.

And those guys will cop **** from me, so what's your problem?

Dirrell did box negatively and it was a disappointing spectacle and in hindsight he shouldn't have expected to win the title on the back of that performance. Doesn't change the fact he won, as I've stated a number of times. So what's your problem?

He doesn't get 'hero-worship' from me, I'm merely a fan who can remain subject and see his flaws. I even gave him **** for his 'I grow up with a tough childhood act' recently, but you obviously didn't pay any attention to that because you are people and choosing your arguements to suit your biased and objective views, you probably ignored that just as you ignored the fact that I stated several times on here I believe Dirrell edged the fight.

And show me where I said he had head movement on part with Roberto Duran. Quote that. Oh you can't, because I never said it. I merely said his defence has improved, evidenced by the early staged of the Dirrell fight where he was catching a few jabs that in previous fights would have all landed, and the fact he's been working on it.

I never claimed he had head movement on par with Duran, and his head movement will never be great, he's still hittable and at times crying out to be hit, his defence will never be great and I never said it was, I merely stated that it's improved from the abysmal state it used to be in.

 

Those who had Serg beating PW as bad as Serg beat Pavlik can't score a fight.

 

Yes, but he lost by a close margin. He lost clearly, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a close fight. There was no "exposing" done, unless you expected him to win, and there is precedent for a rematch.

Well, Martinez bossed the latter rounds because of two things: he upped the work-rate and Pavlik got cut. It's not absurd to claim that Pavlik could have won had he not got cut. I don't think he would have, but I've heard far worse excuses.

That comparison is, if anything, flattering. Vitali could well have beaten LL if he hadn't sustained the cut.

I never denied that Martinez won the fight fair and square, or that he proved that he is the better fighter.

Really? Will you spend post after post talking about them being exposed, how they were never any good, downgrading their record, saying they should retire, screaming, "**** them!" at every turn basically beacuse a few Pavlik fans have pissed you off?

I'm just pointing out that there's a double standard in operation when one guy can make an excuse and it be accepted, and another do so and be reviled universally.

:huh

These are the same kind of tenuous claims that booradley gets laughed at for.

Claiming that, somehow, he'll easily see all of Kessler's work coming and slip it, and that he can take Kessler's full power "with ease" does not reflect such realism. Like I said, it's similar to the stuff you ridicule booradley for.

 

I wouldn't go as far to say that Pavlik is irrelevant.

If he can still make middleweight he could still make some noise as the MW division is not that deep and there aren't many fighters in the division who are that slick. So from a talent and a stylistic point there are still many winnable fights for Pavlik in the MW division. However, if he moves up to SMW, like he is considering, then i see his options in regards to winnable fights severely diminishing.

 

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Get rid of this clown lol...

 

He was exposed by Hopkins - and I hate the over-use of that word - but he was because it took somebody of that style to show people his flaws. He is done. Stick a fork in him.

Maybe he should be working on improving for that rematch if he gets it and not getting his arse beat again, rather than making excuses that nobody wants to hear and nobody cares about.

Besides the point. Fighters lose on or because of cuts sometimes. Pavlik was still down on the cards before then. Get over it.

If you weren't so vague and I know who exactly were you referring to I might let you know on that one. I've 'downgraded' his record all the time because it's poor for a so called top P4P fighter and undisputed champion. I've downgraded his ability because I've never believed him to be any good, but even I expected him to be able to deal with a much smaller fighter.

Oh. Okay. Thanks. Am I supposed to give a **** considering there is no double standards involved between Froch and Pavlik on my part?

I'd say sitting there and omitting several comments I've made in order for your irrelevant and incorrect points to stand is pretty bias and objective, wouldn't you?

Okay. Go and watch the fight and tell me that all of Dirrell's jabs landed then, and go and watch his previous fights and tell me it hasn't improved.

So where does it say 'Froch has head movement on par with Duran'. Kessler isn't exactly Ray Leonard, is he? He's not particularly quick, he's relatively predictable in the shots he picks and he doesn't present difficult angles.

Froch has a granite chin considering his style and previously non-existent defense. Watch the Jean Pascal fight and tell me that he guy doesn't have the capability to take a few big punches from Mikkel Kessler. Not to mention that I don't rate Kessler's power as highly as some.

I don't think Kessler is going to be throwing 6-7 punch combinations and as such I'm not expecting him to be landing on a very regular basis, nor am I suggesting that Froch would be able to take such a combination flush. I expect Froch to present a style that sees him back Kessler up and resort to boxing more.