Peak Cleveland Williams v Champ Jersey Joe Walcott

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Peak Cleveland WIlliams v Champ Jersey Joe Walcott

  1. Williams by Dec

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  2. Williams by KO

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  3. Walcott by Dec

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    39.5%
  4. Walcott by KO

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    47.4%
  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Don't agree. He still legitimately beat Walcott once. He may have been faded, but hardly past it.
     
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  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Then we just agree to disagree no issues
     
  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Yeah, I agree. I get you point.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Oh yeah I forgot Charles losses to Holman at 33 years old, and Johnson at 34 don't count but Williams loss to Chuvalo at 38 years old with a bullet in him is fair game. :lol:
     
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  5. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Lou Gherig disease is worse than 100 bullets.
    Ron Lyle had same battle as your hero but I never heard anyone defending him with that.
    What about Joe Frazier eyes,hand,blood pressure and nobody brags about that like you did with Cleveland?
    Again Walcott is not Chuvalo and only worst guys lose against Chuvalo.
     
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  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    The point flew right over your head. You make excuses for a 33 year old but make none for a 38 year old who had to recover from getting shot? Be consistent for once.
     
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  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Walcott was an opportunist champion, one who waited it out till the talent receded to his level and he could shine.

    Hundreds of heavyweights could have done what he did. And many likewise could have done what Williams did.
     
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  8. CrouchStanceBoxing

    CrouchStanceBoxing Member banned Full Member

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    The point that he is making excuses for Williams for many years but when I said that Lyle was also stabbed and started so late then that is not excuses?
    Just excuses of his heroes counts?
    Interesting.
    When he lost he is either young,old or shot.
    Same 3 excuses he pulls every time and that's all he got.
     
  9. CrouchStanceBoxing

    CrouchStanceBoxing Member banned Full Member

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    Would Walcott suffer 3rd round KO by Liston or Ali?
    Would he struggle with Chuvalo or Machen?
    Maybe but chances are very small.
     
  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Do you know how to stay on topic? You criticized Williams for having a tough fight with Chuvalo at 38 YEARS OLD AND RECOVERING FROM MULTIPLE GUNSHOTS. Most boxers are washed up or retired at 38. Walcott lost to nobodies in his early 30's but you made excuses for him. Do you not understand what I mean when I say be consistent? Don't be a hypocrite. Either both guys get excuses or neither of them do. I'm pretty sure we had this conversation before. Last time I checked, a 38 year old athlete coming off a surgery is far more past his prime and less athletic than a 33 year old.
     
  11. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Just excuses, the guy lost against light heavyweight version of himself called Bob Satterfield, good punch but glass jae.
    Chuvalo was older guy too and he was not good as he was in 1965.Also Lyle had same injury and was death for few seconds, dying few times on hospital table but yet I never saw anyone tlaking about that.You are calling Lyle overrated but you praise Williams and his excuses but when Lyle experienced same problem no one finds excuses for him as you for Williams.
    Double standards I guess.
    That's only because he faved Liston, and you want to praise Liston opponents to make his record look good but Williams was nowhere Cooney.
    He was stopped more times by weaker fighters than Cooney,never went 12 rounds with someone of Holmes caliber and never stopped anyone good as Norton, let alone stopping him in first round.
    Yeah like Lennox,Klitchko,Holmes,Holyfield...they were washed at 38 too.
    Walcott got better with age while Williams did not.
    Chuvalo was 34 but nice try again, you want to make your hero looks good again with lying about his opponent age.
    4 years are not big difference and Chuvalo took fight on 3 or 4 week notice.
    And he still beat Cleveland Williams, and that's what counts not which excuses you bring when he lose.
     
  12. SolomonDeedes

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    Wrong again. Chuvalo signed to meet Williams on 5th October - fully six weeks before the fight.
     
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  13. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Yeah, but he himself said that only trained 3 or 4 weeks for that fight and later Ali's second fight.
     
  14. Tockah

    Tockah Ingo's Bingo Full Member

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    Absolutely agree, but I would argue that Louis was in his twilight years though still not yet far removed from his greatness. Not prime whatsoever but, he was not shot ya know? I want to credit Louis though, removed from his prime, he beat an ATG that had entered a prime of his own (Walcott at 37 was a beast and I will argue it til my death, his fights with Louis, Charles, Marciano- are treasures and show what an old fighter is capable of before Foreman tested his mettle some 40 years later)
     
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    Tockah Ingo's Bingo Full Member

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    Not many people other than Williams could return to boxing after that, I rate him highly for managing a fairly successful comeback following being attacked by police. Williams still had cannons when he was crippled. how do you rate his power swag? Above Walcott? I know that may sound absurd but all evidence points to Walcott having firepower himself.