People really think Canelo could beat GGG?

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto first PPV
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    Golovkin first PPV
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    MSG capacity
    Sold out

    How can you say he's not a draw when he just broke two records at MSG. Winner of Cotto/Canelo will fight him or be stripped. Ward signed a 3-fight deal at LHW, and GGG said Tureano Johnson is a possibility IF Canelo or Cotto doesn't work out for whatever reason, but they'd still get the WBC belt (since the winner would've been stripped for avoiding him).
     
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  2. wylan911

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    Ward signed a 3 fight deal at HBO. You can't sign a deal at a weightclass.
     
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  3. abuffy

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    It was a 3 fight deal with HBO in which it'll be two LHW tune ups to set him up for a Kovalev fight next year. Read the news.
     
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  4. wylan911

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    I have, and a Ward/Kovalev bout is being negotiated. Nothing is finalized, and they are at LHW because Ward doesn't feel he could safely make 168 anymore. You should probably do what you're telling me and read. If you are, then concentrate on comprehending. Add some common sense, like how can a fighter sign a contract for a weightclass there is no guarantee he can make 1, 2 fights from now.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

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    Still holding hope for this, I see? You are persistent in your claims, I'll give you that. Although I still see this as nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.

    :smoke
     
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  6. abuffy

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    Wishful thinking? Nah. Just im getting constant verification.

    Like a week or so ago, Mauricio visited Cotto to ask him if he'd fight GGG after beat Canelo. Apparently, he said he would. Then today, another article was released in which Mauricio said (again) that the winner will be stripped of they do not fight GGG. That Gennady deserves it this and that, it's the biggest fight, and the winner will not be allowed to fight someone else after they win- at least not with the title. Then K2 said recently that Cotto/Canelo have 15 days post fight to let them know of their intentions, and if they will give up the belt or fight.

    I'd be kinda silly to ignore all this...
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    You mean the way you're ignoring years of precedent, whereby the alphabet orgs have, time and time again, gone against their own word, and made stuff up as they went along?

    ;)
     
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  8. abuffy

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    He's not signing a contract at a weight class. He's signing a 3-fight contract with HBO in which he'll fight at LHW. That's the plan. Geez.
     
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  9. abuffy

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    Kinda like ignoring the years and years of Mayweather/Pacquiao negotiations falling through, time and time again, but realizing and listening to what was being released and seeing that this time it was legit and it actually was true?

    I doubt Mauricio is lying. WBC probably wants GGG to have the title in all honestly. They most likely see a bigger return with him since he's the better of the two fighters and less likely to be beat by anyone in the foreseeable future. They see the star potential, but that's neither here nor there.
     
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  10. wylan911

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    Your 1st post said he signed a 3 fight contract at LHW. And you're right it is the plan for LHW, but nothing is set in stone, as his 1st opponent has yet to be even finalized... You still are not even making much sense as to how that relates in anyway shape or form to what I was talking about. Are you saying HBO would not welcome one of those 3 fights against GGG? It would sell.....
     
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  11. abuffy

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    You said yourself that Ward can't even make 168 anymore so probably not. Plus, GGG has his own plans and they don't involve sitting around waiting for Ward to make up his mind.

    I'm going to sleep.
     
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  12. wylan911

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    GGG doesn't have to wait for Ward, Ward's team reached out to them already. I'm pretty sure if they came knocking he'd change his mind.

    I edited this so as not to sound offensive, I didn't men anything negative. My apologies

    Sleep tight! :good
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    I thought it would finally happen after Pac and Floyd had fights set up with Algieri and the Maidana rematch, which seemed like soft touches, following declining numbers for both. I always figured that money would ultimately win the day, and their procrastination sadly paid huge dividends that is encouraging more diva-driven behavior in a sport that's suffering massively in the US as it is.

    I actually made sure I had off Cinco de Mayo weekend from work, and put in for the days shortly after Pac-Algieri.

    They probably do see star potential from GGG, which is why they're stroking him with what they know are potentially empty promises. I don't doubt that. I'd be willing to venture a guess that they see short term dollar signs as a higher priority to future star potential.

    I think Canelo beats Cotto, possibly even stopping him in the latter half of the fight. But I think Cotto can get off to a fast and efficient start.

    As long as their fight is decently competitive through the midway point, I continue to believe there will be exceedingly high chances of a rematch coming to fruition.

    I think a Cinco de Mayo rematch between Cotto and Canelo makes everyone involved a lot of dough, and that barring a mismatch, the powers that be will capitalize on this and exploit the situation.

    Maybe Cotto-Canelo will be a one-sided mismatch. And maybe it will be controversy free.

    At the end of the day, the WBC is going to do what they always do - whatever they deem best for themselves.

    If that so happens to coincide with Golovkin's best interests, then you're correct. But I'd be very surprised if what's in the best interests of the WBC is perfectly alignes for what's best for GGG.

    Let me ask you this: Which generates more money for the powers that be?

    1. A Cinco de Mayo showdown between Golovkin and the Cotto/Canelo winner?

    ~or~

    2. A Cinco de Mayo big drama rematch between Cotto and Canelo?

    :smoke
     
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    I know it's become a popular talking point that many accept as undeniable fact, and perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm far from convinced that Ward can no longer make 168.

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  15. wylan911

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    I agree, I believe for the right fight (GGG) he would most certainly make 168. 164 ain't happening though. :rofl
     
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