Pernell Whittaker - How do you beat him.

Ortiz used brains and strategic ability to win the lightweighty crown from Joe Brown...somewhat like Pastrano's strategy against Johnson...he was capable of fighting a cerebral type of fight.

 

This is what it is then, yeah? Going to pop up after every one of my posts making comeback quips? I said you're a ****ing weirdo, deal with it.

P.S. - on an internet forum, quite frankly, I could not give a **** if I'm disliked by many :huh

 

WTF is going on here ? :huh

Is this a joke ?

 

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Lets not get crazy here, Hearns & the 2 Sugar Ray`s would **** Whitaker up, no way any of them lose to Whitaker.... + prime Pea was at 135 & these guys were 147 lbers around their best days (Hearns maybe 154), lets stick to LWTs, you have several candidates, Duran, Chavez, Armstrong, Mayweather, Pryor.... all those guys stand a great chance at 135 IMO, a really good chance... but I wouldnt be betting big either way, Pea was one of the greats without doubt.

 

The Duran of the 3rd Dejesus fight beats any 135 version of Whitaker IMO, not an easy fight obviously but THAT Duran was a machine, almost perfect.

 

AsI said, weirdo.

 

All you're worth is a chuckle.

 

Thanks for the insight there RC

 

i think the one at the tail end of his light weight days has the best chance. Duran had the better skill set then and had different modes of attack. He was more polished and better defensivly and capable of the relentlessness but was cleverer in it and as i said used different forms of attacking.

Duran became more intelligent later on could intelligent pressure help Duran here more than his all out (albeit clever but not as clever) style

also when did Robbi and Manassa hate each other

 

I think it's a feud that's gone on for a long time GP. Yeah it's just a thought of mine that the 'better' Duran of the end of the lightweight tenure is in better stead here. Although i think most will like the all out swarming one, that's not my line of thinking here, and i can see you agree as well.

But to be honest i think we're splitting hairs, we should just call it 'prime Duran', because that Duran that we are both picking here can do all of the stuff we are talking about here, that's just him at his best.

 

There are two I'd favor to beat LW Whitaker.

Duran. This debate (Duran-Whitaker) has been beaten to death, dug up, beaten again, burned, kicked around, and dismembered enough. Duran is favored in this corner because of his intelligent fire, his "backalley baroque" style that I'd count on to keep Pernell on the defensive a bit too much to win. I don't believe that any man can be favored to beat prime Duran without guns and Whitaker doesn't have the firepower to keep Duran at bay. He'd make him look bad at times, but Duran could be counted on to mix his attack and beat Pernell ...on points


Armstrong. He is more one-dimensional than Duran, but that dimension was hell on wheels. It was also more of a multi-facetted attack than acknowledged today. Henry wasn't a face-first Mexican -he could be elusive while he's mass murdering your ribs. Pernell is one of those fighters who look extraordinary when the other guy is cooperative; that is, when the other guy is fighting him like he'd fight an ordinary boxer. Floyd Mayweather Jr is another example. Castillo I, which I have as a loss for Floyd, demonstrated how you deal with a stylist like Floyd. Armstrong would, in my opinion, demonstrate how you deal with a defensive savant like Pernell. In sum, don't let him breath. Rembrandt can't paint in an earthquake. Armstrong did this right, and had great skill and experience behind him.

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That being said, I'd favor no one else to beat him, at least no one that I can think of right now. Not Chavez, not Ortiz, not Arguello, not Buchanan, not the Great Bennah.

 

Yeh it is close but id pick a prime Whittaker over the Duran who beat Buchanan but id pick the Duran of DEJesus 3 to win.

interesting,

Armstrong is a 50-50 for me,How do you see a Benny Leonard fight playing out

 

Whitaker doesn't have the guns to keep Duran at bay, but he has the magic dust to do it. In other words, he's got the style. I personally don't think Duran hits Whitaker often enough to slow him down to the point where Whitaker's only option would be to brawl, thus Duran getting him where he wants him over a sustained period of time to win enough rounds. Whitaker's defense is just too damn good. He's got that option of spearing out the jab on the backfoot. Certainly a nice tool to score on Duran outwith the lateral movement he's got by the bucketful.

It's a great theory that because Whitaker lacks power, Duran doesn't care what he's being peppered with in return and walks through everything. Sadly, things just don't work like that. Whitaker has all the tricks up his sleeve to keep Duran off him, power isn't needed. Oh, and he's durable enough to take them when Duran does land bombs.