Phantom punch my ****!

Then you're confused beyond help!

 

I boxed for fifteen years and taught it for fifteen more, I understand punching as did Dempsey and the Rock who also said it was a light punch, and yeh, I think they knew punching far better then anyone here. It was an arm punch and there was no snap from the shoulder or anywhere else.

 

I find that hard to believe, I will try and see if such an article is still available for viewing. Few at ringside made a statement that they saw a punch land much less a powerful punch, which in no shape or form happened.

 

I agree, neither his shoulder or much of his body weight was in the punch, it was almost entirely an arm punch.

 

You might know a lot about boxing.

But if you can't see that he jumps off both of his feet, brings the right over his shoulder, and throws it downwards with the shoulder snapping power punch, then you got this one wrong.

It would be a terribly risky punch to throw if it wasn't used as a counter.


Maybe you never experienced that punch, it looks incredibly hard to pull off.

 

He knows better than that.
He trots out that same story every time the subject comes up and is corrected.
There were a whole list of former HW champions at ringside who doubted the legitimacy of the "KO".

 

We just see the actions here and what they could do differently. There actually is a real anchor punch and I was taught it early and practiced it thousands of times for years on a double end bag which is why all I see in Ali's unintentionally throwing one just an arm punch with almost nothing in it, I just viewed it again repeatedly and while a sharp arm punch, its am arm punch. He was already turned to the left so no weight from the shoulder could be put into it and thats where such a punches power comes from. Well anyways were having a good debate on it friend.

 

Dude how can you say it's an arm punch? Look at the trajectory of his fist. It starts low, he raises it over his shoulder, and throws it down. He's using his entire body, starting with his feet, to his back, and gets that final explosive spark from his shoulder.

 

It snapped Sonny's head pretty significantly for an arm punch!

 

Bill is another bad poster who need to better understand the sport. Never going to happen unfortunately for him.

http://www.si.com/boxing/2015/05/22/si-vault-muhammad-ali-sonny-liston-phantom-punch

Note the headline. "A quick hard right hand and a stream of unnecessary protests"

 

I don't see Ali move his torso at all, all I see is an arm punch.
Fair enough Liston was stupidly way over his front foot put that tap that he hit Liston with was nothing.
All the former champions watching must have been shaking their heads when Liston went down.
As I've a hundred times, when you land a ko punch, you know.
Anyone who's boxed and landed one will know what I'm saying.

 

But if the punch hurt him that bad that he needed smelling salts after, the fact that he wanted to fight on in that condition, disproves that theory of yours that he had no heart.

 

Bill's the bad poster?? Tell me, who was the one who was previously permabanned, you or him?

 

During a 1995 HBO documentary about Liston, Johnny Tocco, who owned a boxing gym in Las Vegas, said he spoke with mobster John Vitale before the rematch and was told not to pay any attention to what he heard about the fight. He also told Tocco that he should be glad that he wasn't going to Lewiston. When Tocco asked why, Vitale told him that the fight was going to end in the first round.

During the same documentary, former FBI agent William F. Roemer Jr. said, "We learned that there very definitely had been a fix in that fight." He said Bernie Glickman, a boxing manager from Chicago with mob ties, claimed that while he was conversing with Liston and his wife before the fight, Liston's wife told the ex-champion that as long as he had to lose the fight, he should go down early to avoid any chance of getting hurt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Sonny_Liston#Was_the_fight_fixed.3F

 

If the punch had so much on it why did Ali stand over Liston (apparently) screaming at him to get up and fight ?

You don't have to be an expert in body language to see how Ali feels when Liston goes down.
Ali looks p!ssed off, disgusted, and gestures for Liston to get up and get on and fight.