Pick one lightheavyweight to fight Jack Johnson

Stop telling untruths. No, you never gave me a taped interview. I posted this news report a while back. How is that an untruth?

Here's is the report. Take note it says Johnson went down on his back and when he got up he was so dazzed that his manager had to cut the round short. Get it, Johnson was TKO'd.

[url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F0DEED61F31E733A25751C1A9669D946897D6CF[/url]

There was some talk of a Johnson vs Smith fight, but it never happened? I wonder why.

 

I posted that interview on this forum look in my posts ,and you replied to it!The New York Times is WRONG it wasnt a fight ,it was a sparring exhibition ,prior to Johnson,s fight with Ketchel ,NOWHERE in that Clipping does it say JOHNSON WAS KNOCKED OUT!,Which is what you posted ,something you knew to be untrue.Smith Himself said it was a sparring match ,and that he put Johnson through the .ropes,he never claimed he kod Johnson . SO STOP TELLING LIES!

 

How is posting a news report a lie? Interviews that take place decades after an event do not trump next day news reports! The New York times says it was a four round affair, not a big money fight for sure. They also say Smith knocked Johsnon flat on his back, and he got up badly dazed. Johnson's manager had to save him, and cut the round short.

Re-post what Smith directly, not what someone else claims he said regarding the knockdown, then it will mean something.

As for lies, Johnson was full of shall we say, tall tales. I would not go on what Johnson says, unless you want to buy into some lies and bull crap.

 

The interview is on tape ,not claimed ,you think the NY Times is the be all and end all of information,Ive just told you the four rounder was a sparring match ,show me any record of Smith or Johnson that claims otherwise,Smith himself confirmed this,If he had kod johnson in a real fight ,with Johnson being the Champion ,dont you think it might have been noticed?I will do a deal with you Show me a reputable source ie a biography ,[well researched ]or an Encyclopeadia,or Box rec, Cyber zone ,the Ring,Boxing Illustrated ,that says this was a real fight ,and I will apologise to you publicly on this forum ,If you cant you will admit you are wrong , and apologise to me. I gave you the choice to put your argument about Obrien and Johnson before the forum ,I see you backed out.Nowhere have I quoted Johnson so why do you bring him up ? I quoted Gunboat Smith,why dont you get in touch with Peter Heller if you doubt me?Heller is a Graduate of New York University, a Boxing writer and Author a columnist in the Boxing Illustrated,and a Member ofthe New York Boxing Writers Association,and a Former Inspector of the New York State Athletic Commission.and a former amateur boxer,are those credentials enough for you?. His Book In This Corner was universally praised when it came out ,it had a foreword by Muhammad Ali and endorsements from Champion like Floyd Patterson,the interviews were dated and taped,they are not faded news clippings .You are beat again.Take up my challenge or SHUT UP TELLING LIES.

 

If you want I'll post a poll if Johnson should have fought Jeanette, McVey, or Langford as champion.

If you want I'll post a poll on wehter or not posters feel O'brien made Johnson looked bad.

If you want I'll post a poll on wehter Jack Johsnon should have given Jim Johnson a re-match, and just to re-fresh the minds of the voters, post the fight report where Jim " Battling " Johnson was robbed.

If you want I'll post a poll on wether Jack Johnson should have selected Gunboat Smith for a title defense. Indeed Smith TKO'd Johnson in an exbithion match, and had top creditnals.

Pick your poision.

I think if Johnson wanted to clear his good name, he offers a re-match right after the fight to O'brien, then O'brien fights him next, and not Ketchell. That is my stance on this fight. I also think according to the news papers, O'brien was won more rounds.

You really must enjoy getting knocked around like a pinball.

Getting back to Johnson vs Smith, where did I ever say it was a championship fight? STOP the BS. I simply said Smith TKO'd Johnson in a 4 rounder. Call it a sparring seession if you will, the punch was real enough, and Johnson's reaction to it was " intersting "

As for Heller, I don't have his information. I think the onus is on you to produce it here. Then I will read it.

PS: While I am it, would you like to read Jack Johnson's own words on the Hart fight? I know you can't stomach it, but I have Johnson on quote in a Magazine saying that Hart whipped him. So deal with it.

 

I couldnt care less about Johnsion ,he isnt in my favourite top 20 fighters,what I cant stomach is someone deliberately telling lies ,because they have a hatred agenda about a particular boxer . We have two arguments here the OBrien one and the fact that you said Smith kod Johnson I have emphatically demolished both your blatant lying arguments ,and challenged you to put your case before this forum ,you have weaseled out again as you did when you were proved wrong on the Peter Jackson affair ,when everyone agreed that jackson was a sick man ,you had neither the balls to admit you were wrong nor the common courtesy to say sorry on this forum.You know Jack **** about boxing ,all your information comes from thre New York Times ,which is often unreliable as I proved when they wrote that Johnson was kod by Smith .a sparring session ,which you tried to spin into an actual match,I gave you Smiths, own words on it ,but you chose to ignore them ,because they were at odds with your venomous agenda,nobody minds if you dont like or rate Johnson,I certainly couldnt care less,personally I think he was a pretty shitty individual,but I dont tell lies about him or any other fighter.Ive allready produced Heelers interview with Smith here ,and some other posters have read the book ,pity you havent ,it might stop you making a complete fool of your self,you have never beat me in an argument ,and at the rate your going you never will because you cannot be objective about certain fighters,Should Johnson have fought Mcvey ,Langford for the tile YES! What the f**k has that to do with our argument? Im not trying to build up Johnson ,Im exposing your Lying Twisted agenda .

 

You'd need to be very persistant and have amazing stamina and not lose desire when you find it near impossible to hit him with a bag of rice.. Its a very hard task.. Jack was a freak, almost the perfect technical heavyweight..

Defensive genius.. Spinks maybee... i still carry doubts...

Ezzard Charles..???

 

How posting news reports deliberately telling lies? Your’re paranoid. I have good and bad things to say about Johnson.

This is a lie. First off, I know more about boxing than you do. Secondly, I post numerous sources here, not all of which are from the New York Times. The New York times is the easiest for me to link here, which is why I use it the most.

LOL, and have a nice day.

 

You were at least bearable as Dr Z though a shade patronising you didnt deliberatedly ignore the truth and spin total bollocks as gospel,now you are a hater, a sad hater.My challenge will remain unanswered,no balls and no shame , = Mendoza

 

I guess Jack remains unbeatable .. that farm boy sure couldn't beat him in Havana..

Ghost in the house... !!!

 

Before you said I was a good poster, now I am not based on the opinion that Johnson should have issued an immediate re-match offer to O’Brien, and posting a newspaper clipping that says Gunboat Smith TKO’d Johnson in a four rounder. I never said directly it was title fight, so stop making things up! I did say Smith deserved a title shot before Moran or Willard.

I suggest you ignore my threads, get a brain, and learn how to form paragraphs. Once this happens, maybe people could understand your drivel a bit better. I do not have to challenge you on anything, and to be frank if I decide to do so, you are not much of a challenge.

To put an end to your facade, I will address the point one more time.

You exact quote was this:

First off you can’t add. O’Brien won THREE of his remaining nine via news decision, including one over Fireman Flynn, who of course got a title shot from Johnson. He drew in three other fights.

Secondly in my opinion O’Brien based on his showing in 6 rounds with Champion Jack Johnson deserved a re-match. This is an opinion, it can be neither right nor wrong, but since O’brien got the better of Flynn who received a title shot from Johnson, and also dew with Kaufman who also received a title shot from Johnson, the argument is there.



END.

 

No I wont ignore your threads,I will keep pulling you up when you drop your poison,and highlight every inaccuracy and bull**** you spew out. Dont worry about my punctuation ,worry about your spelling and the veracity of what you are posting.We have an expression in the UK "bottle" it means courage,it comes from Cockney rhyming slang ,bottle and glass =arse. Someone who backs down from a challenge is said to have bottled it,you are a bottler.

 

In that case, you have no bottle. I know far more than you do. I corrected your mistakes regarding O'brien and said why I felt he deserved a re-match.


Unilke yourself, I directly quoted what you typed in. Stop acting like a sorry little man, and just let it be.

 

Come on guys, we all love the history of the game and we just offer opinions.. you both have good knowledge.. Lets not get personal... Its sometimes good to disagree... just give your solid views and if someone else disagrees that heavily .. i guess they just have issues.. God bless guys..

Jack in my opinion was terrible stylewise to watch , but he was a defensive genius and had amazing stamina, he was a very unbeatable spirit inside the ring.. I really do love the notoriety that really was what Jack was reknowned for.. Liston, Ali, Tyson ... They all had it, i think they went beyond boxing..