Please Participate--All Time Lightweight Survey (POLL CLOSED!!)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Oct 29, 2009.


  1. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thought Williams should be top 5 but good list. Shame McFarland didn't make the top ten.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Guys, sorry for the delay.

    I've been extremely busy doing other boxing related things. This time tomorrow I will have finished my lightweight write-up and I will start a new survey!

    :good
     
  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Pretty good list.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Featherweight. Crap. :err
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've generally been one of the first in, but I think I might hold off on this one.
     
  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well i think rumsfeld should let frankenfrank post a list

    like him or not it is always worth reading others opinions
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I disagree, he's clearly wrong in the head.
     
  8. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah i just feel a bit guilty for having a pop at him the other day:oops:
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    I don't think you'll find many guys on the forum who haven't.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Here's frank's FW list in absentia, if that's what you meant:

    Pac and of his 9 victims or victims' victims.

    Actually, his LW list reads the same.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    1. 605 Roberto Duran (15)
    2. 593 Benny Leonard (14)
    3. 348 Joe Gans (2)
    4. 243 Pernell Whitaker
    5. 230 Henry Armstrong
    6. 217 Ike Williams
    7. 168 Carlos Ortiz
    8. 87 Tony Canzoneri
    9. 51 Barney Ross
    10. 47 Jack McAulife (1)
    11. 38 Alexis Arguello
    12. 15 Julio Cesar Chavez
    13. 14 Joe Brown
    14. 10 [tie] Packey McFarland
    14. 10 [tie] Sugar Shane Mosley
    16. 9 Ken Buchanan
    17. 7 Jack Blackburn
    18. 5 Freddie Welsh
    19. 4 [tie] Lou Ambers
    19. 4 [tie] Bob Montcomery
    19. 4 [tie] Sammy Mandell
    22. 3 Ismael Laguna
    23. 2 [tie] Dave Holly
    23. 2 [tie] Willie Ritchie
    23. 2 [tie] Arran Pryor
    26. 1 [tie] Jose Luis Castillo
    26. 1 [tie] Young Griffo

    Here is the distribution of votes.
    TOTAL LISTS MADE - NAME - (1st-2nd-3rd-4-5-6-7-8-9-10)

    32 Roberto Duran (15 12 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 0)
    31 Benny Leonard (14 13 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0)
    30 Joe Gans (2 3 14 5 2 3 1 0 0 0)
    32 Pernell Whitaker (0 0 7 5 10 2 2 1 3 2)
    31 Henry Armstrong (0 3 3 7 2 5 7 3 0 1)
    30 Ike Williams (0 1 3 5 7 7 5 1 1 0)
    29 Carlos Ortiz (0 0 0 5 7 4 6 5 1 1)
    28 Tony Canzoneri (0 0 0 0 2 3 3 9 6 5)
    15 Barney Ross (0 0 0 0 1 4 2 2 3 3)
    6 Jack McAulife (1 0 0 1 0 1 0 2 0 1)
    11 Alexis Arguello (0 0 0 1 0 2 2 1 2 3)
    7 Julio Cesar Chavez (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2 2)
    7 Joe Brown (0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 4)
    5 Packey McFarland (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 1)
    4 Sugar Shane Mosley (0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 1)
    4 Ken Buchanan (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 1)
    4 Jack Blackburn (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1)
    2 Freddie Welsh (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0)
    2 Lou Ambers (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1)
    1 Bob Montcomery (0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0)
    1 Sammy Mandell (0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0)
    2 Ismael Laguna (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1)
    2 Dave Holly (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2)
    1 Willie Ritchie (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0)
    1 Arran Pryor (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0)
    1 Jose Luis Castillo (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1)
    1 Young Griffo (0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1)
     
  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Here's more raw data for the lightweight survey. I just realized I had a slight error on the averages for the welterweight and middleweight polls. Does nothing to change the results of the sruvey. I just had part of the raw data (as follows for this poll) a tad off.

    I shall remedy this.

    1. Roberto Duran
    Total Lists: 32 (100%)
    First Place: 15 (46.9%)
    Top Three: 28 (87.5%)
    Top Five: 32 (100%)
    Average Points: 18.9

    2. Benny Leonard
    Total Lists: 31 (96.9%)
    First Place: 14 (43.8%)
    Top Three: 31 (96.9%)
    Top Five: 31 (96.9%)
    Average Points: 18.5

    3. Joe Gans
    Total Lists: 30 (93.8%)
    First Place: 2 (6.3%)
    Top Three: 19 (59.4%)
    Top Five: 26 (81.3%)
    Average Points: 10.9

    4. Pernell Whitaker
    Total Lists: 32 (100%)
    First Place: 0 (0%)
    Top Three: 7 (21.9%)
    Top Five: 22 (68.8%)
    Average Points: 7.6

    5. Henry Armstrong
    Total Lists: 31 (96.9%)
    First Place: 0 (0%)
    Top Three: 6 (18.8%)
    Top Five: 15 (46.9%)
    Average Points: 7.2

    6. Ike Williams
    Total Lists: 30 (93.8%)
    First Place: 0 (0%)
    Top Three: 4 (12.5%)
    Top Five: 16 (50.0%
    Average Points: 6.8

    7. Carlos Ortiz
    Total Lists: 29 (90.6%)
    First Place: 0 (0%)
    Top Three: 0 (0%)
    Top Five: 12 (37.5%)
    Average Points: 5.3

    8. Tony Canzoneri
    Total Lists: 28 (87.5%)
    First Place: 0 (0%)
    Top Three: 0 (0%)
    Top Five: 2 (6.3%)
    Average Points: 2.7

    9. Barney Ross
    Total Lists: 15 (46.9%)
    First Place: 0 (0%)
    Top Three: 0 (0%)
    Top Five: 1 (3.1%)
    Average Points: 1.6

    10. Jack McAulife
    Total Lists: 6 (18.8%)
    First Place: 1 (3.1%)
    Top Three: 1 (3.1%)
    Top Five: 2 (6.3%)
    Average Points: 1.5
     
  13. Brian Zelley

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    WILLIE RITCHIE and FREDDIE WELSH

    Not surprised to see these two fine lightweights pushed down
    the ladder, so taking Freddie Welsh as an example
    the question that needs to be asked is: Was he given a fair rating
    based on his ring performance. Considering Willie Ritchie defeated
    Ad Wolgast then lost the title to Freddy Welsh likely
    minimizes his ratings becaused he was not a long term champion.

    Freddy Welsh won the title in 1914 and lost the title
    to Benny Leonard in 1917, but did his overall record
    get taken into consideration in the rankings?