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dont ask me hwy but that made me laugh

 

1. Carlos Monzon
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Charley Burley
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Dick Tiger
9. Tiger Flowers
10. Mickey Walker

 

1.marvin hagler
2.harry greb
3.carlos monzon
4.charley burley
5.bob fitzsimmons
6.ray robinson
7.holman williams
8.stanley ketchel
9.mickey walker
10.bernard hopkins


this may change

 

I will give my reasons.

Yarosz's career record was 107-18-3, better than some others who have made lists here.

He fought 11 world champions. He defeated 10 of them, going 13-5 against world champions.

World champions defeated--Tommy Freeman (1-0), Vince Dundee (3-0), Ben Jeby (1-0), Pete Latzo (1-0), Babe Risko (1-2), Ken Overlin (2-0), Solly Krieger (1-0), Lou Broulliard (1-0), Billy Conn (1-2), Archie Moore (1-0)

He did not defeat Ezzard Charles (0-1)

Of the champions who defeated him, he injured his knee in his first fight against Risko and had to retire in his corner, the only time he was stopped. He had to have an operation. In the return, he again injured his knee, which hampered him. He lost the decision and had to have a second knee operation. In a third fight, he defeated Risko.
He lost two split decisions to Billy Conn, but won a third fight in 1938, the last man to beat Conn prior to the Joe Louis fights.
He lost to Charles in 1941 when obviously going back and nearing the end of his career.

Except for Charles, none of these champions proved themselves decisively better than Yarosz, who won his last fight with all of them.

Besides champions, Yarosz defeated top contenders such as Sammy Slaughter, Oscar Rankin, Al Gainer. Nate Bolden, Jimmy Reeves, and Lloyd Marshall. He defeated something like 35 or so fighters ranked when he fought them.

Yarosz was an excellent boxer who was rarely badly beaten. Most of his losses were close. He was only stopped once, on an injury. He defeated most of the top fighters of his era. A majority of his losses came when he was past his best. I think he has a better record than LaMotta, for example.

 

I'm doing a top 5 because a top 10 is to difficult

My picks are based more on Hd 2 Hd
1.Marvelous Marvin Hagler
2.Sugar Ray Robinson
3.Carlos Monzon
4.Bernard "The Excutioner" Hopkins
5."The Raging Bull " Jake LaMotta

I don't include fighters that there is no film footage of {Harry Greb}

also some people may think Jake LaMotta is rated to high because of his incosistcy but Jakes best years and peformances where before he got a title shot

 

The division from a historical perspective was loaded.

Here's my ten under the assumption that they could make weight at 160 pounds 48 hours before the fight.

1. Harry Greb
2. Bob Fitzsimmoms
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Marcel Cerdan
7. Roy Jones
8. Mickey Walker
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Bernard Hopkins

 

One of those is standing out like a sore thumb. How about an explanation?

 

How can you question Teddy Yarosz when you rate Ketchel over Hagler?

 

That's a fair point. My list sucked. I'll have to change it. Still, Yarosz has less place in a top 10 list than just about any other name mentioned in this thread outside of Reggie Johnson. My ranking of Ketchell was originally based on his potential more than anything, similar to how Sal Sanchez/Pancho Villa/Masao Ohba are ranked n their respective classes. He'd already proved himself very conclusively against guys like Sam Langford, Jack O'Brien, Billy Papke, the Sullivan twins, etc.

Still, I'm going to have a set a criteria down for my list and turn in another. I knew that was a bad idea.

 

Yeah I would, I wish I'd revised my light heavyweight list after I submitted it but now it's too late.

 

Yarosz actually has a pretty impressive resume, but his losses to Risko and his failure to hold onto the title for long weigh heavily against him IMO.

 

1. Harry Greb
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Stanley Ketchel
6. Sugar Ray Robinson
7. Jake Lamotta
8. Marcel Cerdan
9. Dick Tiger
10. Freddie Steele

I've got to post it before I change my mind....again. Too much talent.

 

1.) Monzon
2.) Greb
3.) Robinson
4.) Hagler
5.) Tiger
6.) Williams
7.) Burley
8.) Griffith
9.) Hopkins
10.) Fitzsimmons

That took about half a minute and the only placing I feel remotely confident about is Monzon at number 1.

****ing jaysus, this is hard.