Post Your Kovalev-Ward 2 scorecard here

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  1. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't care. It's not up to you to buy into them or not, or to determine whether or not they are a sound metric. They are what is used, not your own calculations.
     
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  2. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Like judging?
     
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  3. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, judging is subjective because it's based on a variety of factors.

    CompuBox is "did the punch land in a scoring area and how many punches were thrown?" That doesn't mean the numbers are always correct, but they're not in the same realm of subjectivity. You count how many punches were thrown, you know the area in which scoring/landing takes place, and you record that. Certainly not perfect, but more straight-forward than judging.

    For example, there is no ring generalship aspect to CompuBox. The punch landed in a scoring area or it did not.
     
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  4. PinoyProdigy

    PinoyProdigy Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Round 1: 10-9 Ward
    Round 2: 10-9 Kovalev
    Round 3: 10-9 Kovalev
    Round 4: 10-9 Ward
    Round 5: 10-9 Ward
    Round 6: 10-9 Ward
    Round 7: 10-9 Kovalev

    67-66 Ward
     
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  5. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    I had it even with a couple of rounds that maybe I could have been convinced went the other way. Doesn't matter though. Ward punched Kov in the face, rattled him and proceeded to finish him, something Kovalev was unable to do on the one occasion in the first fight he was able to stun Ward. SOG legit owns those belts.
     
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  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Doesn't factor in how hard the punch lands, that matters.

    And the fight just finished... Did you confirm these numbers?

    Again, punch stats don't tell the whole story. Don't treat it as gospel, more like fun fact. Or a potential research tool when looking for trends.
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You do realize ledermen had Hatton up on pbf through 7 don't You? That right there tells you everything you need to know.
     
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  8. Jambon

    Jambon Active Member Full Member

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    it does not take into consideration the alternative facts
     
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  9. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    CompBox is not supposed to tell you how hard the punches where that landed. I understand your point, but that doesn't make CompuBox more subjective because they don't tell you how hard the punches were that landed. It's just a metric.

    The numbers I am using were those given during the HBO broadcast and from ESPN during/after the fight (all of them via CompuBox, I would imagine). So, if the numbers are wrong then they are at fault.

    As yet, I have not seen a full CompuBox readout of the fight. Still waiting.
     
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  10. titanic

    titanic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can keep your scorecards in your bed to help you sleep :hang:p
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was a close fight, I thought. Don't recall my exact scorecard. Floyd can have issues with pressure fighters, as we've seen at various times in his career.

    Castillo 1, Maidana 1, etc.

    Also, one bad judging performance doesn't mean someone can't judge. Everyone can have a bad outing.
     
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  12. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your problem is that you don't know a whooping when you see one, just like Lederman.
     
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  13. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know a whupping when I see one. But I definitely didn't see one coming from Ward towards Kovalev in the first 7 rounds of the second fight.
     
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  14. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    5-2 or 6-1 Ward.
     
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  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Hatton won 1 round in that fight it wasn't close.
     
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