Premature coronation: might it be that *none* of the lightweight "four kings" end up HOF worthy?

Bruh. I was just having some fun with you. I wasn't salty about your invasion of my post, but humored you and changed the title. And no one else was confused by the label and discussed the thread just fine.

I haven't even read your opening post in this thread.

I literally just finished Dexter Season 6 while working and am utterly flummoxed and angry about the absolutely ridiculous sister-brother love subplot.

Basically, it was a combination of forgetting to respond to you combined with not caring enough to.

And yeah, my naming those super flies as the 4 Kings (as they are obvious the main players of the division where every matchup is a panty-soaking affair) was my own doing not influenced by the historical naming of an elite group.

CHILL, Bruh.

That you imagined my post was some sort of get back is just — well, that's something you've got to sort out.

 

I dont like to prematurely coronate fighters. They must prove greatness in the ring. We saw that with Loma, it has been nauseating for me to hear all this Loma love the past few years. If y'all wanna crown his ass, then crown his ass after he beats a Josh Taylor or something. Jorge Linares ain't gonna cut it for personally.

After Lopez beat Loma I was ecstatic and trolled the forum. Then when Kambosas beat Lopez and Lomas stock took a further dive.

It is my belief that HOF and ATG status should not be handed out willy nilly. You want to call Usyk, Kovalev, Ward, Estrada, etc. HOFers? Have at it. Cuz they earned it with sweat equity.

These "4 kings" haven't earned the distinction as a great.

 

Its now been a handful of times I've heard posters try and sully Hagler's legacy. By pointing out his back to back losses against domestic Middleweights. The mans resume and career is beyond reproach.

1. That was a young pre-prime Hagler who was learning on the job and still learning his craft.

2. He avenged those losses via Knockout.

3. He fought basically every top level contender of his era.

4. He put a 100% primed out Tommy Hearns (a better version of Hearns than the one Leonard beat) flat on his back.

Have a nice day, Tinny destroys.

 

We four kings of orient are
not that good, lucky to make par

 

Lomachenko>Kovalev

Both legacy and ability wise.

 

I have Kovalev beating Ward. So this is hard no from me. But I will not continue this debate and derail this thread. Agree to disagree.

Want to shift it back towards the 4 fighters the OP was talking about. Only brought up Kovalev in the first place to illustrate what it takes for a modern fighter to become HOF.

 

Regarding the poll question, I like Devin Haney to go farthest and think he’ll have a HOF worthy career.

I had a lot of hopes for Garcia, but with his inactivity, him ducking Haney and stories about him bursting into tears, I’m losing faith.

When you start getting sympathy points as a young man in 20s for crying for no reason, you ain’t getting anywhere.

 

Machismo for the win

 

To be fair, I’d say the same if I heard similar stories about Katie Taylor or Claressa Shields too.

 

Teofimo Lopez - Great future, BUT... The fact is after his win against Lomachenko, he became inactive for too long, partied too hard and this destroyed his position as a lightweight. Teofimo has always been a huge lightweight, his months of party probably made it even harder to make weight on this division. If he moves up and recover his focus on boxing, he will for sure be one of the greats.
The problem, of course, is that he don't seem to have good decision making. Probably will focus on making a rematch against Lomachenko for a lot of money, lose again and give up on his career.

Ryan Garcia - Lost completely his will to fight. May a trend down on the income from social media make him realize boxing is a huge source of income for him if he works it hard. He's probably a ppv star by that point. Make 2 or 3 more fights and go for the belts. Has a chance, but I don't know if he has the will to do it.

Gervonta Davis - Probably the one with best chances. Focused. Good manager. But realistically would need to stay at superfeather to be a legend. Lightweight is already too big for him. At superfeather, he can make some great fights against Valdez, Shakur Stevenson and Berchelt. If he wins, he's a legendary fighter.

Devin Haney - Too boring. Has good management, but depends too much on the judges scorecards (Read it - be the A side on the fight). If he gets into a fight against someone who can explore his problems and has the judges sympathy, it's over. Can ended up with a great career, though.

 

I still believe Lopez has the single hardest punch of these guys, for what that's worth.

Couple years back, Teo seemed to me a good young fighter who might become a very good (though not great) prime fighter. The "might" is a fading prospect now, as any development potential he had seems destined to be arrested by the weaknesses in his mentality. The victory over Lomachenko should have matured him, but he allowed everything to get on top in his very next assignment.

 

I agree none of them will end up with a legitimately, HOF career. It seems they've all got too many shortcomings to truly attain greatness, but not only that, the lack of ambition on their part will inevitably hold all of them back. Teofimo seemed like he was willing to make these big fights - as does Haney, now - however, it remains to be seen whether he's are more calculated risks. Little moves have been made between camps, and that's a little alarming.

If I had to bet money on who achieves the most, it'd probably be Davis. He's already gotten some good wins on his leger - better than Haney & Garcia - and hopefully will be getting better fights now he's left Mayweather. I'd have said Lopez, given that he seems the most ambitious and has the best résumé, however, it seems like he's gonna go completely off the rails. He's also not made any moves to rebound from his loss and it's been what? Five months? With nothing even teased.

Head-to-head, I'd still take Teofimo over both Ryan & Haney. Provided he can make weight, that is. No way are those two taking the kinds of shots Kambosos did, and let's not pretend like they'd somehow avoid them. Haney - for all the hype - gets hit a lot. Garcia's defence is pretty abysmal. I'd take Davis over all three, though. I'd also wager of the four, Davis is easily the best suited to moving up in weight.

Personally - as a fan - I'm backing Teo all the way. Despite his demented view on the Kambosos fight, I tend to think he's the most grown up and mature of the bunch. He also seems to be the most . I'm pretty much convinced his arrogance is just a persona to get headlines. He seems pretty humble when he's just posting on his own socials. The big thing though is that of all of them, is he seems the most willing to take challenges.