Prime Joe Louis vs Rocky Marciano?

Very correct, and very precise explanation. I admire Marciano for his guts and heart, but he was not even close to being elite, sorry to say.

 

Ali also claimed that he would beat Liston, and he did.
But Ali never stated before or after that anyone would give him hard fight him let alone beat him.
Ali was right, most of old heavies were flat footed, but there were exception like Dempsey,Tunney,Ezzard,Walcott...but Joe Louis was flat footed, I think that even Foreman cuts ring better than him.

Because all of them dodged few punches but lost fights like Louis maybe dodged few Marciano bombs but lost the fight.

But still, he isn't Joe Louis, not even close but gave Marciano harder fight because he's good counter puncher which Louis isn't.

Almost and the actual outcome are different things, and that'a what matters.
Ezzard beat Louis, Walcott beat him then lost, Marciano beat all 3, proving he was better than all 3.

Outpointed?
Did you ever watch that fight?
Louis clearly lost, his reaction speaks everything.
He beat Walcott in their second fight but clearly lost first fight.

Both were prime fighters similar age, Charles was excellent boxer and Rocky beat him twice which Louis could never do.

 

Pedro_El_Chef once again with a spot-on analysis!! (We must have been somehow related in a past life LOL!! On several occasions you've posted pretty much everything I would have said on a particular topic.)

 

Wasn’t Joe Louis dead in 1990? Was the article quoting him from a different year?

 

That was just quote from his younger days, doesn't mean he was interviewed in 1990.

 

Thanks Nyterpfan!

 

"yes Ali was right, except for this 4 cases spread across 30 years where he was wrong"
Add every quick footed boxer who didn't become a world champion like Ramage, Loughran and Pastor and you begin to realize how dumb it is to rely on Ali for your boxing history.

Ali also claimed that he only pretended to be the greatest, he said Louis was the greatest. We are being picky with our quotes I see.

Louis didn't "dodge a few bombs". He was making Marciano look clumsy from the 3 round up until the 7th. It was only during the 8th that Marciano took over as Louis's legs gave under him.

Roland Lastarza is a superior counter puncher to Joe Louis. I am not going to argue against this, it speaks for itself.

The outcome is what matters? Funny, I seem to remember you bringing up multiple fights where Louis won via ko as examples for why he would lose against Rocky.

Have you? Do you have access to the 45 minutes of action that happened that night? Because all I've found is the 14 minutes of highlights. That is 69% of the fight missing yet you are so astute as to be able to figure out who scored the most punches. Wow.

Charles was 33 with an underlying condition that paralyzed his body. Look at his record around that time period. Just before he was already fading and just after he outright sucked.
Louis destroys Charles in a prime match up. He was chasing him around the ring after staggering him in the 10th round in 1950. 1954 Charles is completely toast even against the 1947 version.

 

Marciano was not exactly quick out of the blocks either.

 

Ali was right about many his wins and he did it, but Ali never admitted before or after that anyone could beat him, that says something.
Loughran?
He was too small man.

Yeah but he also stated that he would beat flat footed Joe Louis too.

He was making Marciano look clumsy?
What about body shots and what about pushing Louis around like he was not 30 plus pounds heavier than Rocky?
Marciano had easy night with Louis than against LaStarza.

Yeah because Louis struggled with some fighters that were no Marciano not even close, hell fat Tony gave him hell and that Louis is beating Rocky?
Not a chance.

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/joe-louis-vs-rocky-marciano
Check this scorecard to see how many rounds Louis won, 2 maybe even 3 but thats it.

Charles first problems started after the second fight against Tommy Jackson so no he did not have any condition in both Marciano fights.
Charles was so fading that he beat Satterfield in 2 rounds and he beat Wallace by 10th round Ko, so no, he was not fading.

So?
Marciano was just 2 years younger, wtf how can one fighter be past prime at 33 and too old because he is just 2 years older?
Laughable...

 

"Louis is faster with a barrage of punches, but Rocky hurts more with one punch than Joe did with four. Rocky hurts you every time he connects." Response to a reporter from a sparring partner of both Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano.

Joe Louis, knocked out by Rocky in the 8th round, said of Marciano, "It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."
He also said, "The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."

Joe himself said several times that he thought in their primes Rocky would have beaten him. In the May, 1990 issue of Boxing Illustrated, Joe Louis was quoted as saying, "very few people knew this, but I had a weakness, a bad weakness. I didn't like to be crowded. And that was Marciano's thing. He always crowded. I knew I could never beat Rocky."

The only way Joe Louis could win is if he stayed on the outside and boxed/ counter punched, unfortuneatley Louis liked to chase fighters and Marciano's strength could prove to be to much for Louis.

so either
Marciano KO10
or
Louis by decision

 

Louis was still taking a beating even in the rounds he was winning. I think I gave Rocky the first 3 rounds, with Louis having rounds 4,5 and 6 being a close one that could go either way. Marciano took over round 7 and put Louis away for good in round 8. Yeah Louis was winning said rounds, but that was more or Marciano not getting past the jab, and when Marciano did get past it, he made Louis pay.

 

Below , your opinion on the Lastarza v Marciano fight.
"But still, he isn't Joe Louis, not even close but gave Marciano harder fight because he's good counter puncher which Louis isn't."

"Ezzard beat Louis, Walcott beat him then lost, Marciano beat all 3, proving he was better than all 3."
This gave me a laugh on this rainy Sunday morning.
"Outpointed?
Did you ever watch that fight?
Louis clearly lost, his reaction speaks everything.
He beat Walcott in their second fight but clearly lost first fight."

You base your above opinion on the couple of minutes you have seen of the fight?

You have to be a troll ,nobody can be this stupid without it being deliberate!

 

Yeah but so?
Jerry was better counterpuncher than Ali but still wasn't on Ali's league.

So you know better than the crowd, newspapers and Joe Louis himself?
Just look on Louis face speaks everything.

A great performance from hall of fame talent Jersey Joe Walcott, is not given it's just do and a disturbing decision is the result. Louis who was dropped in the 1st and 4th rounds, was so throughly out-boxed that he tried to leave the ring as soon as the final bell tolls. It was such a comprehensive dismantling I have a hard time seeing how of the 32 boxing writers at ringside and 3 judges 10 of the writers could see a win for Louis, one a draw, and 2 of the 3 judges score the fight for Louis. There was little doubt left here as to the winner, which makes it hard not to call this a flagrant robbery of Walcott, but Louis does get the last laugh when he knocks out Jersey Joe in the immediate rematch.

 

"Marciano was just 2 years younger, wtf how can one fighter be past prime at 33 and too old because he is just 2 years older?"
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This is just about as stupid as it gets. Charles had nearly100 fights on his clock,plus he was better as a lhvy It isn't just the age it's the mileage!

Charles went into the Marciano fight having lost 2 of his last 4 fights.

 

So Charles was old at 33 but Ali,Frazier,Klitchkos,Lewis,Holmes were not?
Laughable, almost as stupid as Tyson past prime at age 23 ha ha.

Before those two losses he won 10 fights and after those two losses he won next two fights KOing prime Satterfield in 3th Round.
I guess he was past prime lol.