Prime Lewis v Prime Liston

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  1. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I'm getting at the fact that Lewis is bigger and effectively rangier.
     
  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    then why would he need his legs for that. Liston is still the harder puncher and has the better jab and he also is exceptionally strong himself
    Lewis is obviously bigger but Liston would also do quite well at long range and Liston would outjab him and outfight him the way mercer did
     
  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Well, closing distance, getting in jabbing position against a fighter who's looking to control distance, etc.

    Irrelevant.

    Question-begging.
     
  4. tommygun711

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    I think he's still going to be able to get in jab position. Lewis wasn't Ali. He didn't have the mobility or the speed that bothers Liston the most. Lewis is going to start slugging, and its not going to end well for him because Liston would WANT a brawl.

    It's hardly irrelevant. Power and having the better jab is definitely going to effect the fight unless you just aren't going to address those.

    not really. Mercer didn't have the "legs" and he still outjabbed lewis and muscled him around. Liston could do everything mercer could, and better, except perhaps Mercer's chin is less dentable.
     
  5. Beatle

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    Tyson had to pay Lewis because he had to fight Holyfield a second time to avenge the loss. All that proves is that Lewis only wanted to fight the post-prison, out-of-shape Tyson. Look at Lennox's resume and notice he fought in England until his loss to Oliver McCall in 1994.

    In 1991, Tyson had to fight Razor Ruddock, 25-2, when he should have fought Lennox Lewis, 15-0. But Lewis was fighting bums in England, waiting for Tyson to lose his prime. Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that swarmers like Dempsey, Marciano, and Frazier only kept their prime for about 6 years. That style takes a lot out of you quickly, and Tyson belonged to that school. Lennox had a shrewd trainer and manager, who kept him away from peak Tyson. Just like Cus D'Amato kept Floyd Patterson away from the HW division until the day Marciano retired.
     
  6. junior-soprano

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    i don't think lewis is the more powerful of them. personally i think next to foreman, shavers and baer. liston is up there as one of the most powerful hitters. his jab alone was like being hit by a incoming train
     
  7. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    ALL of his punches were like trains haha
    i don't think Lewis would beat Liston. Liston is too good an athlete to get man handled and worn out in his prime. and he can fight outside and the inside. the outside he would jab with Lewis and his was stronger.
     
  8. junior-soprano

    junior-soprano Active Member Full Member

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    my thoughts exactly
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Liston takes a dive in the 5th.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Size would favor Lewis but Liston was better and hit harder than McCall and Rahman so early action would dictate the outcome
     
  11. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Nah, Lewis was backed by wankers. Ali had these guys:


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