Prime Maravailla vs GGG

CST80 · May 7, 2016

Good_Boy said: ↑

martinez never fought anyone close to GGG punching power not close

I would even imagine rubio giving martinez fits
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Pavlik maybe?

Good_Boy · May 7, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

Pavlik maybe?
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CST come on you are one of the good posters on here you honestly feel pavlik was close to GGG in terms of skill and power?

pav fought rubio and never impressed me but i suppose dirrel never impressed me when he also fought rubio

martinez would get beaten to a bloody pulp and knocked out by ggg

it would be a easy fight for GGG

CST80 · May 7, 2016

Good_Boy said: ↑

CST come on you are one of the good posters on here you honestly feel pavlik was close to GGG in terms of skill and power?

pav fought rubio and never impressed me but i suppose dirrel never impressed me when he also fought rubio

martinez would get beaten to a bloody pulp and knocked out by ggg

it would be a easy fight for GGG
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Power wise yes, he stopped Miranda for the first time, something big punching LHW Eleider Alvarez and KO artist Yunier Dorticos who's a friggin Cruiserweight couldn't do in the last few years.

He stopped Taylor 5 rounds earlier than Froch and Abraham, and he a few years before.

Stopped Batista when he was worth a damn around the same round as Zurdo Ramirez stopped a shot version of.

He's probably in his prime as hard a puncher as GGG. skillwise not close.

The Martinez that fought Pavlik and Williams would give GGG some issues, and if Lemieux and Murray lasted as long as they did, Maravilla was elusive enough, countered and punched hard enough to keep GGG cautious, therefore I think Martinez either sees the final bell or comes damn close.

theanatolian · May 7, 2016

Good_Boy said: ↑

CST come on you are one of the good posters on here you honestly feel pavlik was close to GGG in terms of skill and power?

pav fought rubio and never impressed me but i suppose dirrel never impressed me when he also fought rubio

martinez would get beaten to a bloody pulp and knocked out by ggg

it would be a easy fight for GGG
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You people are making a mistake by judging Maravilla from Chavez, Macklin, Murray fights. That wasn't his peak.

That said, I'd pick GGG by decision in a similar scenario to Lemieux-N'Dam.

Good_Boy · May 7, 2016

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Power wise yes, he stopped Miranda for the first time, something big punching LHW Eleider Alvarez and KO artist Yunier Dorticos who's a friggin Cruiserweight couldn't do in the last few years.

He stopped Taylor 5 rounds earlier than Froch and Abraham, and he a few years before.

Stopped Batista when he was worth a damn around the same round as Zurdo Ramirez stopped a shot version of.

He's probably in his prime as hard a puncher as GGG. skillwise not close.

The Martinez that fought Pavlik and Williams would give GGG some issues, and if Lemieux and Murray lasted as long as they did, Maravilla was elusive enough, countered and punched hard enough to keep GGG cautious, therefore I think Martinez either sees the final bell or comes damn close.
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wow

He is not close in terms of power with GGG so you saying he stopped taylor 5 rounds earlier than froch and abraham i dont even rate those guys as big amazing punchers like GGG

abraham hits harder than froch but murray said in one interview he does not hit that hard

did you see how much of hardwork he made of rubio pavlik that is?
also skills-wise pavlic was **** whats good having power but not being able to set a fighter up properly?

Good_Boy · May 7, 2016

theanatolian said: ↑

You people are making a mistake by judging Maravilla from Chavez, Macklin, Murray fights. That wasn't his peak.

That said, I'd pick GGG by decision in a similar scenario to Lemieux-N'Dam.
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even his peak so he knocked out a natural 154 ib fighter like williams thats hardly anything special

and in his prime he got knocked out by toni

martinez was very good but its a joke to think he would stand a chance with GGG

GGG not only hits like a train

He has so many skills and can set you up with any shot

CST80 · May 7, 2016

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wow

He is not close in terms of power with GGG so you saying he stopped taylor 5 rounds earlier than froch and abraham i dont even rate those guys as big amazing punchers like GGG

abraham hits harder than froch but murray said in one interview he does not hit that hard

did you see how much of hardwork he made of rubio pavlik that is?
also skills-wise pavlic was **** whats good having power but not being able to set a fighter up properly?
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You're not looking at it from the proper perspective. Abraham was a murderous puncher at MW, almost GGG like, when he went up to SMW, his power dissipated, but Taylor was one of his first opponents and he KO'd him in the 12th brutally, since then the older AA has gotten his power has totally depleted, the AA that Murray fought is but a mere shell of the AA that Taylor fought.

Froch is a monster puncher, and his resume is also levels above GGG's, and when you face the best of the best, their chins are also usually better. His KO's of Groves, Taylor and Bute are savage. Bute clearly has a better chin than people thought since even young guns who were considered decent punchers like Jack and DeGale didn't come close to even hurting him.

The Rubio that Pavlik fought was a far cry from the one GGG faced, who was badly drained, he had to take his pants off to make weight, he couldn't make the weight anymore so he moved up to SMW for the next fight.

Good_Boy · May 7, 2016

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You're not looking at it from the proper perspective. Abraham was a murderous puncher at MW, almost GGG like, when he went up to SMW, his power dissipated, but Taylor was one of his first opponents and he KO'd him in the 12th brutally, since then the older AA has gotten his power has totally depleted, the AA that Murray fought is but a mere shell of the AA that Taylor fought.

Froch is a monster puncher, and his resume is also levels above GGG's, and when you face the best of the best, their chins are also usually better. His KO's of Groves, Taylor and Bute are savage. Bute clearly has a better chin than people thought since even young guns who were considered decent punchers like Jack and DeGale didn't come close to even hurting him.

The Rubio that Pavlik fought was a far cry from the one GGG faced, who was badly drained, he had to take his pants off to make weight, he couldn't make the weight anymore so he moved up to SMW for the next fight.
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How can you say that when abraham is only 1 year older than GGG your power never really leaves you its the last things to go

GGG knocked out bute in the ams with head gear get this with headgear on

You don't seem to understand that GGGs power is so much that heavyweights have spoken about it

CST i expected more from you to be honest froch is not a monster puncher he just caught groves flush and the right time you dont need to be a monster puncher to do that

Rubio still gave dirrell a hard fight and that was after he fought GGG

My point is pavlic power was nothing compared to GGG and his skill is even worse of

pavlik was so unskillful it was laughable

CST80 · May 7, 2016

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How can you say that when abraham is only 1 year older than GGG your power never really leaves you its the last things to go

GGG knocked out bute in the ams with head gear get this with headgear on

You don't seem to understand that GGGs power is so much that heavyweights have spoken about it

CST i expected more from you to be honest froch is not a monster puncher he just caught groves flush and the right time you dont need to be a monster puncher to do that

Rubio still gave dirrell a hard fight and that was after he fought GGG

My point is pavlic power was nothing compared to GGG and his skill is even worse of

pavlik was so unskillful it was laughable
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How much AA at MW have you watched? Go watch some, especially his fights against Gevor. It was that his power left him with age, his power didn't carry up to SMW, just like Hopkins didn't carry up to LHW.

Bute was a skinny MW kid in the ams, and he hopped right back up, not in any shape to continue, but it wasn't getting KTFO, Froch faced a much bigger fully developed SMW Bute and almost killed him, that beating is hard to watch.

Dirrell is garbage, that's why, and Rubio lost that match 10-0.

Froch was on his way to a KO of Groves in the firs match as well, you can't harshly judge someone's power because they couldn't KO Kessler, Pascal or Abraham, who else has? Pre-Kovalev in Pascal's case.

And I'm not arguing Pavlik was as skilled as GGG, he just had equal power.

Good_Boy · May 7, 2016

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How much AA at MW have you watched? Go watch some, especially his fights against Gevor. It was that his power left him with age, his power didn't carry up to SMW, just like Hopkins didn't carry up to LHW.

Bute was a skinny MW kid in the ams, and he hopped right back up, not in any shape to continue, but it wasn't getting KTFO, Froch faced a much bigger fully developed SMW Bute and almost killed him, that beating is hard to watch.

Dirrell is garbage, that's why, and Rubio lost that match 10-0.

Froch was on his way to a KO of Groves in the firs match as well, you ca't harshly judge someone's power because they couldn't KO Kessler, Pascal or Abraham, who else has?

And I'm not arguing Pavlik was as skilled as GGG, he just had equal power.
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Pavlik lost so bad against martinez because he is so unskillful a fighter with the power pav had and skills as well would of sparked martinez out

GGG knocks martinez out easy GGG has too much power for marinez and is so accurate most of GGG foes say its the power and the accuracy that gets them

marinez would of stood no chance with GGG none

Brighton bomber · May 7, 2016

I'd favour Golovkin. I was never that overly impressed with Martinez, he was good but he had flaws and it will take someone special to beat Golovkin and Maravilla wasn't special enough in my opinion.

dinovelvet · May 7, 2016

Golovkin wants no part of slick southpaw hitters i.e Lara.

Martinez would be a bigger challenge than Lara.

Enigmadanks · May 7, 2016

This would be a helluva fight. Prime Martinez wasn't a MW, he was just such a great fighter for about a 3-4 year period that he was able to be the man at MW as well as JMW.

I don't know, this might be a 50-50 fight. I think Martinez throws hard enough to keep Golovkin honest, it's just a matter of if Martinez can fight while in perpetual movement for 12 rounds. I actually think his unorthodox style could cause trouble for Gennady. He's also quite mobile and possesses excellent counterpunching ability.

If this were to happen at 154, i'd favor Martinez by a UD. At Mw, I'd call it 50-50 or slightly favor Golovkin.

Serge · May 7, 2016

It would be an intriguing and very competitive fight but Golovkin would get him out of there at some point.

Interesting some of the things Martin Murray and Matthew Macklin have to say about Golovkin

Martin Murray

''First couple of rounds I could feel how physically strong he was, and obviously his punching power speaks for itself.

Was he levels above Martinez and Sturm?''

''Yeah. And Abraham. By far. Just a different level. There was times with Sturm, with Martinez and Abraham where I was controlling the fight. Never thought I was controlling the fight with Golovkin if I'm honest.''

Do you think there's anyone who can beat him?

''Not at middleweight, no. Not at middleweight. what surprised me most.. I mean he was good at everything.. but his punching power, his range and his distance is unbelievable - he's there but he's not. He takes a good shot, he's got a good engine. But what surprised me most about him was his variety, his variety and just how he opened me up.''

Better boxer than people give him credit for?

''Yeah, but just the way how he opened me up. No one had ever opened me up like that before. I've got a very good, tight defence and no one had ever opened me up like that before. And every shot was hard, even though there was nothing into it, every shot was hard just with where he was, the way he threw them, his technique, his range, his distance. By far the best person I've fought''
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Matthew Macklin

Matthew Macklin believes old adversary Gennady Golovkin will successfully defend his WBA Super world middleweight title against Martin Murray on Saturday night - but is hoping the British challenger can pull off an almighty upset.

Macklin challenged Golovkin back in June 2013 and came up short, losing via stoppage in round three. Since then he has watched the man known as 'GGG' go from strength to strength, defending his belt a further four times, and now awaits the challenge of Murray in Monte Carlo.

I think Martin's a solid all-rounder with a good defence, said Macklin. He's not a massive puncher, but he looks physically strong, and he's technically sound and very well-schooled. He doesn't telegraph his shots. He's tough and seems to have a decent chin.

Murray has never really been bashed up before, either. He drew with (Felix) Sturm and he lost a close one with (Sergio) Martinez. Both fights were very competitive and Murray didn't take a lot. He knows how to look after himself at the top level.

Still, I don't think Murray can beat Golovkin and I don't want to romanticise his chances; I'd be surprised if he lasted the distance. But, having said that, Martin has a very tight defence and is a solid enough fighter. If anybody can go rounds with Golovkin, you'd think it would be someone like Murray.

Of course, going rounds with a fearsome puncher like Golovkin is easier said than done. Macklin has firsthand experience of this. So do 30 other beaten opponents.

Golovkin is so aggressive and has so much variety, explained Macklin. He also hits very hard. He can open up even the tightest of defences.

In boxing, it's easy to be relaxed when someone can't hurt you. But, when they can, it's a different story. You burn up a lot more nervous energy and you're panicked into making mistakes. It's a different ball game with Golovkin.

Ultimately, I think Golovkin's composure will shock Murray. That's what shocked me. He's very relaxed, with brilliant footwork, and he's always balanced to throw punches. He judges distance extremely well and can cut off the ring better than anybody.

It's not even so much about the power. Obviously, he caught me with a corker of a shot and badly hurt my ribs, but, up to that point, I felt his power was solid but not enough to shake me up. It was more about his all-round ability, his composure and his confidence. Nothing fazes him and he's able to exert a lot of pressure very quickly.

I guess a lot will depend on Martin's ambition. He'll go into the ring looking to win, but that can quickly change once Golovkin goes to work. You see some guys just looking to survive after a certain point. If you try to win from round one to twelve, it's unlikely you'll last the distance with someone like Golovkin.

No man has lasted the distance with Golovkin since 2008.

Though a fan of the Kazakh destroyer, Macklin hopes countryman Murray can go one better and hand 'GGG' his first career defeat.

I'm a big fan of Golovkin and was a big fan before I fought him, Macklin admitted. He's a fantastic fighter and a lovely guy. I'll be following his career and supporting him in the future.

But it would be great for Martin Murray and for British boxing if we could get that world title over here. I think Martin will give a great account of himself. I just don't think he has enough to beat Golovkin. Then again, this is boxing and big upsets happen. Who would've thought 'Buster' Douglas could beat Mike Tyson in 1990?
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'''Without a shadow of a doubt, he's definitely the best kid I've ever fought,' said Macklin, whose record falls to 29 wins with five defeats in 34 professional outings.

'I had a plan to exploit his weakness which was his lack of experience - he's only been 10 rounds once - but credit to him, he didn't even let me get into any kind of rhythm at all''.
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People bang on about Golovkin's strength and power but, having shared a ring with him, I was most impressed by his boxing ability. His footwork is outstanding and he's got such good judgement of distance. His timing and accuracy are both exceptional. He wastes absolutely nothing.

And he is a seriously devastating puncher with both hands, without really looking for it (the finish). The left hook that finished me broke my ribs and there was no way I could do anything about it. It's the leverage that he generates rather than brute force that makes him so formidable.

His shots, including the hooks, tend to be long and looping. He's definitely at his best from long range. He uses a very good jab to soften you up and his power tends to be at the end of his punches. It's his timing that makes him so dangerous. He's happy to stay outside and cleverly coax you on to his punches.

He's also really aggressive. From the moment the bell rings, he's on ya, looking to take you out. But he's so patient, relaxed and economical when he stalks ya. It's all so effortless. He's able to apply intense pressure without throwing many punches or exerting much pressure himself. He's a master at getting opponents to burn nervous energy. Against me, he was bowling forward in second gear, I was darting backwards in fifth! He's a very, very impressive operator.
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Unless you're a middleweight Guillermo Rigondeaux - and from what I've seen Adama isn't - the worst possible thing you could do against Golovkin would be to try to outbox him. He's got a very good jab and his footwork is far too good.

'He was patient, he was hard to hit clean, kept the pressure on, picked his punches well and that body shot took it out of me.'
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Thanos · May 7, 2016

LOL GGG clips him with a big left hook inside 10

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