Prime Riddick Bowe vs Vitali Klitchko?

Vitali doesn't fight on the inside, so Bowe's admittedly excellent inside game is neutralized. Vitali wouldn't spend the whole fight with his head on Bowe's shoulder like Evander did.

Bowe's status is built almost entirely on beating Holy 2 out of 3. And I don't even consider that a huge deal.

If you're going to throw out the Golota fights because Bowe didn't have the discipline to stay in shape, then I will throw out Vitali's loss to Lewis because he took the fight on 2 weeks notice and didn't have time to train for the style of a top-2 ATG.

Who's to say Bowe wouldn't have showed up to his training camp for Vitali weighing 300 pounds? Because if he does that, he gets whooped for sure.

Look at it this way. There is only one fighter on Bowe's record who approximates Vitali. That's Golota, who battered him twice. Vitali is a bigger, stronger, tougher, meaner, more awkward version of Golota.

There could have been another Vitali-sized fighter on Bowe's record, except he ran like a ***** from Lewis, preferring to fight the mighty Jesse Ferguson instead.

Take away the beating of former cruiserweight Holy, and Bowe's record is appalling. His reputation is ENTIRELY BASED on the Holy fights. Well, guess what? Vitali would have smashed that version of Holy too, and likely even worse because he wouldn't play into Holy's hands and slug it out like Bowe did.

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That Bowe who was molested by Golota was 8 months away from stopping the ATG prime version of Holyfield.

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Vitali wins by DQ.

Bowe would refuse to enter the ring upon hearing his walk-in music, claiming Vitali is not worthy of facing him.

 

WTF?

"Vitali does not fight on then inside" . He would have no choice, Bowe makes a war out of this.Bowe has the better jab and heart, he would get very physical.

You talk a ot of nonsense. Vital wwas prepared for about 6 weeks for another opponent even if it was not Lewis. It was the same thing for Lewis. Just NONSENSE by you.

You critizise Bowe's record. Who the hell has vitali beaten?

 

That was not prime Bowe and Holy had heart problems in that fight.

Prime Bowe was the one of the first Holyfield fight. That Bowe is better than the Lewis who fought Klit.

 

He can get as physical as he likes, Vitali is bigger, stronger and tougher than Bowe. Fighters who come right at Vitali get beaten worse.

So getting his first mega fight against a top-2 ATG on two weeks notice, and then losing by cuts while ahead on all cards means that Vitali gets downgraded in your opinion, but Bowe getting his ass whipped by Golota and losing a decision to Holy means nothing?

The men who are put in front of him.

Vitali has come back to the sport in his late 30s, and in the last year has KOed TWO #1 contenders as well as an undefeated mandatory, while losing MAYBE two rounds over these three fights.

He fights in a weak era, but he will fight ANYONE, that much is clear. Vitali would NEVER disgrace the sport by dumping the heavyweight title in a trash can because he was afraid of someone.

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I wish I had a time machine I'd make this fight a reality to showcase to all the nuthuggers how Bowe isn't even fit to spit shine Vitali's laced up boots.

 

- You think that Vitali holds physical advantages over Bowe. I do not think Vitali is tougher than Bowe. He may be bigger but Bowe has a long reach along with a decent jab.

- Again, Bowe's losses to Holy II and Golota mean nothing here becasue we are talking about the prime version of Bowe, the one from the first Holy fight.

- Vital has earned respect for his effort against Lewis rightfully so. But again Lewis was past prime and not in his best shape. Prime Bowe is definitley better than that version of Lewis.

 

Heart problems that appeared to be caused by HGH. Anyway, they didn't stop him from continuing to fight for another decade and a half.

And that wasn't a prime Bowe?

A 26 year old, undefeated Bowe in the middle of two victories over ATG Holy wasn't prime?

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So how great was Holy, if a shot Bowe could stop him? Or did Bowe become shot in the process of knocking Holy out?

How do you know? Maybe Bowe just plain had Holy's number. You are looking at ONE FIGHT, against a guy who is TINY compared to Vitali and fights NOTHING like him, to say that Bowe beats Vitali.

I am saying is, looking at it objectively, Vitali is the favourite.

Look, the fact is, there has been one strategy that has been shown to be effective against Vitali. One strategy only. Hope that his body betrays him and he gets injured in the ring. If that doesn't happen, you lose every round on your way to getting knocked out.

The most Vitali-like fighter Bowe ever faced was Golota, who is smaller, weaker, more orthodox and more fragile than Vitali. And Golota STOMPED that ass. TWICE.

Not only that, but Bowe RAN from Lewis, and the only reasonable conclusion we can draw from that is that Bowe was afraid he would lose. Lewis was just as big, just as strong and just as skilled as Bowe, and Bowe wanted NO PART of that.

I think that one-on-one, Bowe would be afraid of Vitali. And rightly so, because Vitali would very likely thrash him by wide decision or late-round stoppage.

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Vitali's Taller

Vitali has better footwork

Vitali has better reflexes

Vitali hits harder

Vitali is more technical

Vitali is bigger

Vitali is faster

Vitali is smarter

Vitali stays in shape

Vitali has a better KO %

Vitali doesn't duck people

Vitali fought Lewis @ 2 weeks notice; Bowe quit his belt to avoid Lewis

Vitali has better head movement

Vitali has better upper body movement

Vitali is heavier than Bowe even though he's faster

Vitali would cripple any version of Golota









Bowe beat Holyfield..............










Wow! Well, that's cleared that up then hasn't it? Bowe all the way by very clear domination. atschatschatschatsch

 

It takes a shithead of epic proportions to not be able to see that Bowe didn't have this tremendously tremendous (did I mention tremendous ?) jab that would allow him to hit a prime Vitali Klitschko whose best asset is to avoid punches by seeing them coming. Bowe would be at a reach disadvantage, and doesn't have the setup to force Klitschko into exchanges. That one either steps back firing out of all angles, or holds. Lennox wasn't at this reach disadvantage, and STILL connected only a handful of punches, which all had zero effect other than on Vitalis skin. Most of his damage other than to his lips came from the head collisions anyways, although that was Vitalis fault for improper clinching (Vitali looks down AT his opponent instead of away to avoid brow contact, because he was not used to fighting men as tall as himself). Bowe isn't a busy, mobile jabbing machine like Holmes, he is a plodding swinger who stands with his feet bolted to the ground, waiting for the smaller guy to him. That didn't even work then against Golota, the ATG heavy from Poland.

Just in case you forgot how "great" Bowes defense was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElB5kiepP5k&feature=related

Prime Vitali without 36 hours of surgery to every major body part RAPES him, clean and simple. Steps back out of every attempt of Bowe to swing for the fences with short hooks, and slams him from the outside.

 

It was a freak cut by a grazing right from the clinch while Lewis was holding his head. That kind of cut happens once in a blue moon. For four rounds Vitali is boxing with one eye and he still takes 2 rounds from Lewis. Bowe is not on the level of Lewis not even close. Vitali knew how bad the cut was and went toe to toe. Nobody has done that much damage to Lewis in 12 rounds like Vitali did in 6.

 

Oh well in that case, I'll take my prime Vitali to be the Sam Peter version. He dominated every minute of every round in that fight, and did it past his physical prime. Clearly Vitali is invincible, just look at the ass-whoopin' he handed out to Peter.

Doesn't matter, the Lewis fight means nothing. Any weaknesses you see in Vitali from that fight cannot be mentioned, you can't even acknowledge that this fight even happened.

Here's a question for you. Why is a 27 year old, undefeated Heavyweight Champion coming off a victory against an ATG not considered prime? Bowe's ill-discipline is part of who he was, and it has to be taken into account. Same as Tyson's mental fragility.

I think that this fight would never happen, and if it did Bowe would lose. A large factor in both of these equations is that I believe Bowe would be afraid of Vitali. He ran from Lewis, he was CLEARLY afraid to fight him. He copped two hidings from Golota, and Golota was never as big nor as strong nor as effective as Vitali.

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Vitali and Lewis went toe to toe and Lewis had the physical strength to do that. I doubt Bowe would, he is not the natural athlete Lewis was. besides, cuts are often caused by glancing blows and Vitali landed more in that fight than he took. He probably only has to land as much as Bowe to beat him, since his chin is better. Nobody, not even Lewis, ever outlanded Vitali.

Lewis with his speed - size ratio would be a real problem for Ali in my opinion. Ali was a tall HW for his time, the new super HW prototype with Lewis' skilllevel didnÄt exits back then when the really big men were big stiffs.