Prime Riddick Bowe vs. Vitali Klitschko

Vitali has been stopped. Bowe has not.

 

Vitali has the better resume than Bowe. After Holyfield there is a clear drop off on Bowe's resume. Vitali fighting an old Lewis is better than any other Bowe win as is his fighting with Chris Byrd. I would also state fighting a prime Sanders coming off a win against Vlad is better than any other Bowe victory outside of Holyfield. Bowe's resume is pretty soft Elijah Tillery, Jesse Ferguson, Gonzalez, Biggs, a washed up Thomas and Dokes., cooper. They both fought hide and Donald. But I would rate wins over Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Hoffman charr as better. Not a runaway obviously as neither is loaded with great names but To me Vitali has a clear edge in resume.

 

LOL@you....

Hide and Donald were, to the best of my menory without looking it up UNDEFEATED when Bowe met them........Donald was totally gone when he fought VK and Hide was also severely diminished.........I guess that makes Berbick a Killer too defeating Ali.

BTW, Bowe won every SINGLE round against Donald after slapping him around at the press conference and he bounced off Hide how many times exactly , lol ?

The only big skilled man VK ever fought was in the twilight of his career while jumping on him and forcing a shoot out, now said man does not have the greatest beard but was not afraid of VK's arm punches, the same guy who was scared to engage a total washed up Tyson.

If a on the downside of his career Lennox Lewis carves up his face then a even meaner infighter like Bowe is tearing to shreds..........btw Bowe has NEVER been stopped, EVER, even when completely washed up while VK has been stopped twice and once by a guy who don't really belonged at Heavyweight.

 

You and Futch etc use the word POTENTIAL to describe Bowe.

I don't argue he had potential. I agree.

The fact that after his fights with Holy, Bowe's performances were less than great. Was it lack of training and motivation? Sure no doubt, regardless to give him CREDIT based on the potential of what he "could" of been capable of is HORSE**** anyway its used and why? Because it never actually happened for real. As in Bowe never did reach his potential to be the GREATEST ever ???

As far as this thread goes regarding Vitali and Bowe, I have no doubt that at his prime Bowe could of beaten Vitali. That said, I could see Vitali giving Bowe a very hard time and winning a 12 round decision as likely as a Bowe victory. Personally, I would love to see that fight as I think however it turned out it could be a barn burner.

Personally, I disagree with Futch, however, only slightly as I do think Bowe had buckets of potential to be way better than he was. However, I also think this is somewhat true for many others besides Bowe. It simply is more true for Bowe then most others.

Regardless, Bowe never showed the ability to fight from LONG RANGE while being very hard to hit. Yes sure at lower levels he did no doubt, but if we are talking about the top levels only then Bowe sucked at this aspect. Thus he never learnt how to fight at the top level and protect his chin at the same time when fighting all out.

I think this would have given Bowe problems if his POTENTIAL didn't somehow figure out how to fight SMARTER without loosing aggressiveness which also then leads me to my last point about why I don't fully agree with Futch's assessment that he could of been the greatest ever. Bowe's hand speed and overall speed is only really good, in my opinion its not really great.

Was Bowe FLUID in a beautiful way pleasing to marvel at ??? Oh yeah, Bowe throwing a JAB while on his toes in that casual smooth effortless way he would flick it out was fast, VERY quick.

However, in agility, foot speed, body speed and naturally hand speed and how then the fighter ties these speeds OVERALL into the equation, well, Bowe in my opinion was not as fast as Lewis for starters. I think this is true and I think it has been overlooked simply because Bowe is very quick overall. Don't forget, I am using your's and Futch's comments endorsing him as having the potential to be the GREATEST to question Bowe with. Thus my point is not that Bowe is SLOW, my point is in my opinion he is not as FAST as some of the GREATEST.

Ali was naturally faster than Bowe, so was Holmes, no doubt Tyson was in his Prime. They are 3 greats that would not have been so great if at their peeks they were not so damned fast that they all became JUST a little bit faster than the other top guys which then translated into beating their opponents to the punch a vast majority of engagements.

Do you have to have awesome type overall body, mind and handspeed to be the best ? No I don't believe so. Not if your speed is pretty darn great and you have many and most of all the other many abilitys/aspects one needs to become the best.

Does it really help if one has awesome type of overall complete speed ??

Would Ali be currently considered the greatest of HW if he wasn't awesomely fast ???

Foreman was awesome and wasn't awesome fast. Then again, Ali destroyed Foreman so that in many ways holds true once again.

Holmes was fluid like Bowe in ways, so was Ali for that matter, regardless, Holmes had SPEED, he was quick, I am talking HEAD MOVEMENT to evade getting ones head torn off unexpectedly. Holmes was fast plus he could fight from long range and win fights against essentially most of those he fought. Holmes was economical with his speed so I think his speed is under rated for the most part. Then if we move onto the next really dominating champ after Holmes its Tyson isn't it ?? lol, well I think, regardless, Tysons overall body and hand speed was awesome. Then I claim confidently that Lewis's overall speed was awesome. Not in the Ali category mind you, however, for a 6.5 240lb dude his overall speed of movement was outstanding. Lewis had the ability to deliver POWERFUL blows from long range that could and did take some heads for a tumble. Why could he do that so well when others couldn't? He was freaking fast. Yeah sure he looked like a lazy pig when he was out of breath and trying to hold on and moved like he was in cement. Regardless, when he did crank it up his overall speed was at that GREAT level. Lastly, try not to laugh, lets use Vlad as a dominating champ, since he has been a dominating champ for some real time to date, well Vlad has awesome speed for a huge strong guy. Vlad has the ability to score from long range with powerful blows because when he is SET for whatever reasons of body etc mechanics Vlad is very fast. In some ways I don't think Vlad's speed is AWESOME, however, whether you agree or disagree I think it faster than Bowe's. A point many may not consider is why Vlad is so good at tying up his opponents? Well its to do with many things. Included in those many things is SPEED. The ability to tie a opponent up SUCCESSFULLY comes from getting a superior position upon that opponent. Manny taught this to Vlad, Lewis and others. It is a crappy style, however, because of the forces of nature we exist within it happens to work effectively.

Bowe in his prime is OVER-RATED in my individual opinion.

i could be wrong, i often am :scaredas: