Prime Roy Jones Jr Goes Through Sugar Ray Robinson's Resume Undefeated

assassin,

I know all about Joe, and everything I've said is bang on. I've been watching him since I was 16. I'm not doubting his talent. His abilities aren't in question. But his ambition didn't match his skills, and I don't really see how you can argue otherwise.

I know what happened to DM. But at THE TIME of attempted negotiations in 2001, he was only a WBO belt holder.

I've agreed with you that Roy ducked/dismissed Nunn and Collins.

I don't dispute that, that's fine. Gerald was looking to fight Roy. I've never disputed that at all.

All I said was that you can't really say that Roy DUCKED him. That would be harsh to say that. Because Roy wasn't in the mix at 160 with the big name fighters. Then in 93 when Roy moved up to 168, Gerald remained at 160 until mid 95. So their paths never crossed. That's all I was trying to say.

If in your opinion you think that Roy would have ducked him had he beaten Benn, then that's fine. You're entitled to say that.

You can say that you think Roy would have ducked him.

But you can't say that Roy DID duck him.

Likewise. Get back to me if you want to debate further. :good

 

Jesus I've read some delusional garbage on the net in my time but this fool Loudon is in a league all of his own. This idiot spouts gossip about old man Jones, and his steroid using son, and quotes it as fact. How about old mother Jones, didn't she have anything to say about her dear little soldier?

 

What a great well thought out response. atsch

A full paragraph too! That must have been a huge effort for you.


What GOSSIP have I spouted?

What I've said is all factual.

Do some research and then get back to me.

Go and watch Beyond the Glory, and listen to what Fred Levin says.

Go and boxrec Roy's opposition in the early 90's, and then look at his weight after Hopkins.


If all that sounds too difficult, try and get someone to help you. :good

 

I don't need to research anything to deal with fools like you.

This very week on British TV Johnny Nelson and Richie Woodhall were presenting a show previewing the up coming Froch / Kessler rematch, and their studio guests were Jones Jr, and Steve Collins who were sat next to each other. Collins catagorically stated he chased Jones down to Pennsacola to challenge him but Jones, at that time claimed he was too busy. He also said Benn was demanding a fight with Jones at that time and was given the same reply.

Collins then went on to say we can do it now if you like Roy as I've had my licence renewed.

The silence from Jones to all 3 points was deafening. Perhaps you should try the same tactic. It might pay you better than trying to convince everyone who doesn't live in your little fantasy world that Jones was / is the G.O.A.T.

 

Jones would be shot WAY too early tbh, but prime for prime of course he beats every single one of these guys!

 

I watched it. What's that's got to do with what you said in your previous thread?

I thought I was talking nonsense about Big Roy, and they weren't facts, just my opinions?

Collins did chase Roy down to Pensacola, and I respect that.

But let me fill you in with what the programme didn't mention.

Roy had just fought a nobody in Ricky Frazier, who somehow was made a mandatory, and Collins got in the ring afterwards.

This was 1999 and Roy was at 175.

Collins at that point, had been retired for 2 years, and he'd never fought at 175, so he wasn't ranked there.

Lou De Bella of HBO, had NO interest whatsoever in making a fight against an inactive former 168 fighter who WASN'T a big name in America.

Instead, De Bella wanted Roy to fight Reggie Johnson (who'd beaten Collins) to UNIFY the titles at 175, and that's what happened.

At 168, Collin's claim to fame was beating faded versions of Eubank and Benn. He was a legend in his own mind. He only held the WBO belt, and that wasn't respected, or even ranked by the likes of Ring Magazine back then.

Nobody outside of the U.K. was interested in a Collins fight.

When Roy couldn't unify with Liles or Benn, his options were to either fight Collins for the WBO belt, or go to 175.

He picked 175 and Collins got left behind. He was dismissed instead of ducked, and there's a huge difference.

Benn also deserves huge credit, because he wanted Roy too. But Roy and his handlers - The Levin's, were reluctant to deal with Don King, because he always wanted options.

Collins could never have beaten Roy at his peak, and neither could anyone else sat at that table, and that includes Nelson at Cruiser.

 

Ducking is ducking no matter how much you try to spin it. Collins had retired purely because after having beaten Benn, and Eubank he wanted Jones, and only Jones. To think Collins was unable to go up to 175 is idiocy of the highest order. Jones had seen what Benn did to his dog fighting crony McClellan, and seen how Collins reacted to punches from Benn ,and indeed Eubank, and wanted no part of either of them.

When you talk about legends in their own minds, look no further than Jones, and gullible Yanks who are impressed by such hype and bull****. Which is why he wants no part of the well past his best 48 yr old Collins now. Someone who can take his shots and keep coming frightens the cretin. Simple as that.

 

What was the name of the show?
I hope its online:bbb

 

How's things?

Go on the classic forum, and look for - The gloves are off - The super middleweights.

It was quite good, but it could have been a lot better, if Johnny Nelson had asked better questions. :good

 

Things are cool:good

Thanks ill check it out.:bbb

 

Foxy,

Collins was scheduled to fight Calzaghe in 1997, and he was injured and had to pull out. He speaks about it in the show. In 1999, Collins was again going to fight Calzaghe, with the winner potentially facing Roy. But he collapsed during sparring and had to retire for good. So even if Roy and HBO had wanted the fight, Collins wouldn't have been able to go through with it anyway.

 

Roy Jones is the third BEST fighter of all time. The topic says PRIME Roy Jones. There should be no doubt that a PRIME Roy Jones beats all.

 

Yeah, because taking Benn and Eubank's shots automatically means for sure you can take Roy's for 12. Oh wait.:huh

You are just the complete opposite of the gullible "yanks" you go too far as well.

I am supposed to believe Roy Jones was afraid of Steve Collins? Delusional. The video of him and Roy in the ring was a ****ing joke.. Roy was supposed to drop everything and fight him, when HBO was pushing for him to unify? Against active world champions? please..

 

:deal Owned him

 

I've watched it now. Had to shake my head at Jones's lies. His now blaming Warreen for fights with Benn and Collins not happening.:--(

Claiming that he didn't fight Collins after Frazier because of a problem between Collins and Reggie:blood