Prime vs. Prime?

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  1. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Hopkins > Toney close but clear UD

    Tito > Forrest ko in 8

    McCallum > Hearns UD in a very good boxing match

    Morales > Marquez UD in a close but clear decision.
     
  2. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In his prime Toney's kryptonite was speed, something Hopkins never had.
     
  3. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with pretty much all of this
     
  4. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    In his prime Hopkin's handspeed was basically even with Toney's, and he had much, much superior footwork. Toney's kryptonite has always been skilled out-fighters, which Hopkins was. Hopkins could match Toney on the inside, easily win at mid-range, and for the most part dominate Toney on the outside.

    Toney, even at his absolute peak, struggled with fights kept on the outside, he struggled badly with fighters that had good footwork. Nearly everything about this fight favors Hopkins' style over Toney's.
     
  5. lbarrow

    lbarrow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hopkins SD
    trinidad tko9
    hearns tko7
    morales ud
     
  6. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing Hopkins has accomplished, even in his prime, indicates he could be competitive with a boxer the level of Toney.
     
  7. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Nothing Toney has accomplished (getting shutout by Jones, arguably losing to a faded and naturally smaller man, getting a gift against Dave Tiberi, being clearly outboxed by Michael Nunn before landing a lucky punch, arguably losing a deserved decision to Montell Griffin in Griffin's 15th fight) indicates he could beat a fighter with vastly superior footwork, that was significantly more versatile and better on the outside then he was. Toney can beat heavyweights because they come right at him, and he looks good against aggressive opponents. When someone keeps the fight at a distance, Toney is not nearly as effective.
     
  8. Quik

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    Toney UD
    Forrest UD
    Hearns UD...wait...ya Hearns UD
    Morales UD
     
  9. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is it too late to ask for Forrest-Trinidad at 160? I heard Trinidad wants to fight two more times in 2009, and Hopkins and Oscar will probably no fight him so why not?