Primes: Hagler versus Pavlik?

Pavlik had a great win but i think the express needs to toned down just a little, lets first see how he defends the belt and maybe we can start with these legenday hypatheticals.

 

I just have to feel that if Pavlik can get rocked like he did in the second round by Taylor, he will do even worse trying to stand and trade with Hagler, who was simply better than Taylor.

 

So your response to all of my reasoning is a simple, "You're stooopid"?

 

Now you're just making things stuff up. Tommy was in no shape or form anywhere close to stopping Hagler. There was a freak cut that Hagler ignored, and that's it.

It's difficult to win when you're getting repeatedly battered by Hagler. Marvin was the aggressor throughout the fight, completely ignored Hearns' power, and simply outfought him.

Hagler was beating Hearns before Hearns' chin gave out on him.

Learning from the past....

You mean the past in which Hagler easily beat guys like Pavlik, and proved himself against everything Pavlik would be able to throw at him?

Or the past that you imagined, where Hagler is beaten up by tall mystery boxers and nearly stopped by Hearns?

By that reasoning, Pavlik beat every middleweight champion who came before him, since everyone was dethroned by someone else and Pavlik beat the last guy in the chain.

Problem is, Taylor is not an ATG himself.

 

Pavlik has been impressive in his last two fights, but Hagler would **** him bad.
As hard as Kelly punches, he's not cracking that rock hard skull that Hagler had.
Hagler KO4

 

Pavlik, superior boxing skills to Hagler???

Anyway you slice this, Hagler is a stylistic matchup for Pavlik. Hagler can outbox and outbrawl the guy. Hagler also has the perfect antidote to Pavliks power and enough power to send Pavlik away. Had that been Hagler huting Pavlik on the second round, he would have finished him and if Taylor can do it, Hagler certainly can.

KO inside 6 - Marvelous.

 

At this point, I need only refer you to your own favorite way of rating fighters:

Jermain Taylor's win by KO percentage -- 63%

Marvin Hagler's win by KO percentage -- 84%

Wladimir Klitschko's win by KO percentage -- 89%


No doubt Taylor hits harder than Hagler, considering that Hagler fought better opponents and stopped more of them.

Going by the numbers, Hagler has almost as good a stoppage record as Pavlik's 91%.

"Starched almost everyone he has fought"...A grand total of TWO ranked fighters.

Somehow, it seems less impressive when you give the details.

 

Sorry CROSS but your details are simply clouded by time and groosly embellished ! as for the rest ! Isnt it you who claims SONNY hit just as hard as VLAD dispite the ko percentages ! A tad hypacriticle dont you think ! And for the record the only 2 fighters are 2 of the top five fighters in the world at that weight that PAV has koed ! Oh and by the way I never claimed PAV wins this ! Im simply claiming that dismissing his chances the way you guys are is rediculous and he appears to have the style and intangables to make a very hard night for MARV ! :deal

 

Fulgencio Obelmejias also fits the general Pavlik description--a tall, rangy puncher. Again, clobbered by Hagler.

 

You're the one who claims Wlad hits harder than Liston BECAUSE of the KO percentages.

Yet Taylor, who has never knocked out a top opponent and has a 63% KO percentage, hits harder than Hagler, who KO'd multiple rated fighters and had an 84% KO percentage?

You've said repeatedly he has the style and intangibles to beat Hagler.

Yet every time you've been asked *****WHICH TALL TWO-FISTED PUNCHERS WITH GOOD JABS GAVE HAGLER TROUBLE*****

you've never answered.

 

Oh my ! Your even starting to use my sarcastic remarks against me ! Oh and have you by chance seen PAV beat by shortish pressure fighters like MARV ? HAGLER was cut very bad and the fight was almost stopped ! ( thats called being busted up ) HEARNS was a feble ex welterweight and was nothing like PAVLIK ! now again who were the fighters MARV walked tyhrough like PAV ? use HEARNS again and Ill start stating all the short guys PAV has koed and claim they are like MARV ! :deal

 

This is beyond a joke people will try and claim anything after one win, if pavlik goes on to beat hopkins,calzaghe,kessler and winky then maybe we can talk about hi beating a prime hagler until then stop smoking crack.

 

yres I did claim VLAD hit harder then LISTON but the percentages was only one factor ! Remember ! you claimed SONNY hit as hard dispite this but make a case for MARV becasue of this ! get it ? And for the record guys who are larger then you ith real good jabs plenty of power and resilence will trouble anyone ! Even MARV ! now for the record PAV has had no trouble what soever beating the short fighters he has faced so do you think thats means he has no trouble with MARV ? I think not and the hearns fight is in no way an indication of a fight with the larger sturdier PAV ! :deal

 

Who has pavlik beaten to be compared in anyway to hagler, jt and miranda are not all time great fighters so come on name the top fighter's pavlik has destoyed.