Primes: Wlad ~vs~ Lennox

I disagree, maybe Wlad goes on to rule the division for the next 6 years and shows close to zero vulnerability while doing so, maybe our perspective will change and might even determine his prime came later in his career.

 

Lewis would come out all guns blazing and win with an early KO.

 

Wladimir Klitschko is not as good as Lennox Lewis was on his bad day,the ones,that saw him lose against medoicre fighters. Lennox did not see the punches coming and was floored against McCall and knocked out by Rahman. Klitschko knocked out a lot of bums,his last victories were boring and the challengers were not challenging.

Klitschko is so afraifd of being hit on the chin he fights like Dr.Safety. Lennox was patient,too but he had the killer instinct and he liked to mix it up and he had so much tools. Klitschko has a great jab and a right hand. I just dont like the fighting robot.

 

yes. lewis can land thats why i picked him but lewis is much more controlled boxer than peter. he's not gonna rush in like that. peter did his damage when they were in the clinch and tapped him behind the head. lewis wont land that uppercut because wlad wont languish in the inside like vitali or grant. Lewis will score with his jab and right but it wont be a war. wlad will turn it into a tactical fight. lewis can stop him late but i see it going to the cards with lennox the victor

even lennox said wlad's defense is great on saturday. i give peter credit u should give wlad some too especially when it's so obvious.

bull****. lennox is one of the most intelligent fighters ever. why risk getting caught?

 

This would have been a great match up. Both have great jabs but Lewis has a slight reach adavantage. Lewis also has more powerful right hand.

THe big difference is that Lewis is an excellent inside fighter for a big guy whereas Wlad has absolutely ZERO inside fighting skills. This means that if they end up clinching, Lewis dominates, Uppercuts, short rights to the temple, etc coming from all directions. Night night Wladdy ala Grant style.:hi:

 

The only threat Wlad fought between Peter and Igbragimov was brewster and even brewster was on his last legs.

Ray Austin was a result of IBF politics, And Byrd cant land a 'meaningful punch' unless he takes a run up!

 

My god that is the most unintelligent post I've read here outside of the lounge!atsch
You criticise LL not fighting decent fighters in their prime when even in their decrepit state they're several levels above Wlads opponents!
You also mention many things that he dose better than Lewis. Well thats pretty easy when the best you face are the likes of Sultan, Brewster and the mighty Corrie Sanders.

 

Its always a possibilty, but we have to see it first in order to make it a valid point. Saturday night's fight was not exactly a signature example of a champion putting on his best performance, and he has some tough fights to look forward to.

 

tear his opponents down if u must but i could do the same to lewis.

one-eyed vitali, senior citizen tyson, glass jaw rahman and grant..etc.

fact is, he has dominated 5 top 10 hws in his last 6 fights including 3 undefeated fighters with various styles. he's not the bum many make him out to be.

 

I told you many times already, Wlad is a extremely talented fighter, he has ATG boxing skills, however his faults are easily detectable. I feel a ATG fighter like Lewis would exploit them with ease, if you watch Wlad on the inside, he put his arms out wide to try and clinch his oppenent, who's to say Lewis cant step to the side and rip an uppercut? Wlad would be wide open for it, and it would more and likely put Wlad into panic mode, which would either let Lewis finish him or all the nervous energy Wlad spent in that round, would spell doom for him if the fight progressed into the later rounds.

 

What does the amount of fights have to do with anything? Wlad fought a string of 25 fights within his first couple years. None of them were very meaningful, his managers/promoter just kept him very busy. What we need to look at is his age. Wlad is 31 years old. Wlad is WAY more accomplished at 31 years of age than Lewis was at 31.

Wlad at 31.

Unified IBF/WBO Champion
Previous WBO Champion with 5 successful title defenses.
Current IBF Champion with 4 successful title defenses.

Beat the Undefeated Sam Peter - 24-0 (currently ranked #2 heavyweight win the world by ring mag)

Knocked out Chris Byrd -39-2-1 the #1 ranked Heavyweight by Ring Mag, and longest standing Champion in the division in order to become IBF Heavyweight Champion.

Has other wins over...

Calvin Brock - 29-0 Undefeated Top American Contender at the time.

Jameel McCline - 28-2-3 Was also the top american Contender at the time.

Sultan Ibragimov - 22-0-1 Undefeated WBO Champion

Ray Mercer - 30-4-1 Even though Mercer was older, had been on a good streak.

Lamon Brewster - 33-3 Former Champion, mandatory, and was avenged his defeat.

Ray Austin - 24-3-4 Mandatory - #1 contender in the IBF.

TOS - 20-2 Top ten at the time, and after.

Monte Barrett - 23-1 Solid contender at the time.

Derrick Jefferson - Solid top 15 contender at the time.

Frans Botha - 44-3-1 Former IBF Champ

Axel Schulz - 26-3-1 Top contender for many years.... sort of old at the time.

Chris Byrd - 31-1 beat him for the WBO title as well.


I would say that is one hell of a resume for someone who is just 31 years old, and in his prime.


Lennox at Wlad's current age was still int he process of trying to regain his WBC title after being knocked out by McCall.

He did have solid wins over...

Ruddock- 26-3-1 Was a top contender.

Tony Tucker - 49-1 - Tucker was old, but he was a solid top contender in that era.

Frank Bruno - 36-3 - Was up there in age as well.. but went on to win the WBC title from McCall afterwards, for a very short period. Solid win.

Tommy Morrison - 45-2-1 - Solid top contender

Ray Mercer - 23-3-1 - Very tough fight for Lewis, many seen it going the other way. Mercer was a solid top contender.



How can you bash on Wlad's resume at this age... and then elevate Lewis'?

 

imo, he has 1 major fault at this point. He lacks the confidence and killer instinct that lewis possessed. it causes him to press and fight too stiff. i dont even think the chin is an issue anymore. im hoping over time he can overcome that. the peter fight was a huge step forwad. saturday was a small step back.

anyways, i still think lewis would respect him like he did with senior citizen tyson. a late ko is possible but lewis UD wlad is my pick :yep

 

At the risk of offending window lickers the world over, you sir, are a mong!:good

 

lennox lewis by brutal knock out.

 

Fair enough, your points are valid, as our mine. Unlike RUSKULL who chooses to try and insult me when he disagrees and or losses an arguement, you tend to at least back up your claims with knowledgable opinion or facts.

I dont know if I can agree his only fault is his confidence, though it his greatest, which even a limmited fighter like Iggy tried to exploit by throwing wide loading up punches. Here's in order Wlads biggest faults.

1. Confidence
2. Chin
3. Stamina
4. Lacks killer instinct