Proof Calzaghe is a coward

I already addressed them. Read it and respond correctly

Marquez he didn't beat legitimately, so I am hardly going to give him more credit than Calzaghe's virtuoso 116-112 over a prime undefeated fighter.

 

go on TFFP. I enjoy your articulate rebuttles.

and PACFAN how can we not criticise Pacquio for fighting some old/well past prime fighters when you have criticised Calzaghe for exactly the same thing?

Manny Pacquio has the worst fans on ESB.

 

Correct he didn't beat him the 2nd time but he won the first time which is beter cuz he is more of a complete fighter now than then.Gotta wait and see what Kessler does cuz Sartison and Haussler aren't top competition,they good but not the best.Plus he ducked Miranda and if you don't accept it then your a coward just like Kessler the kitten

 

I can't believe you havn't stuck a fork in Miranda yet. Didn't you just see what happened to him? He'll be on ESPN real soon, don't worry :good

There is nothing to accept. There is no serious evidence to suggest Mikkel ducked him.

 

In reply to the comment that 75% of the current LHW division would beat this Roy Jones,that may very well be correct but Joe could beat 100% of the LHW division and the Super -Middle

 

How about this for an articulate rebuttal then, except this one is not coated in bias??

Joe Calzaghe himself says in his autobiography 'No Ordinary Joe' written in 2007, that he wasn't excited by the thought of a fight with Mikkel Kessler because Kessler was unproven and untested at the top level.

Yet again, your fanboy bias has been undercut by your hero himself!!

If you don't believe me, buy the book and read it. I would have thought you would have already done so anyway, considering you are twisted and riddled with bias regarding him as it is.

If Joe himself thinks Kessler was unproven and untested in 2007, WTF has he done since to change Joe's view of him since??? ZERO.

The guy was a good short-term alphabet champion with a couple of good wins, nothing more.


Here's some more facts to further demolish your biased statement:

- Juan Manuel Marquez was top 5 p4p when he fought Pac 2nd time

- Erik Morales was top 10 p4p when he fought Pac 2nd time

- The oldest guy Pac fought in this period was Marquez (34), but anyone who has followed Marquez's career knows that he is a fighter, like BERNARD HOPKINS, who has peaked in his mid-30s. Marquez at 34, Barrera at 33 coming off a storming fight with Marquez, and Morales at only TWENTY-NINE and less than a year after beating Pacquiao 1st time, were clearly not in the same state as a 43-year-old man. Only Barrera was well past prime, as he did not perform on the night at all v Pac, but I have no doubts whatsoever that the Marquez of the 2nd fight and the Morales of the 2nd fight were vastly superior opponents to the Hopkins or Kessler that Calzaghe fought.
I think The Ring magazine would agree with that- see p4p rankings.

- Pacquiao v Marquez was a controversial split decision: just like Calzaghe v Hopkins, except Pac was facing stronger opposition.

- If you don't think Hopkins showed he does not have the stamina/energy/workrate/fitness to compete for 12 rounds anymore at the age of 43 in the Calzaghe fight, you are biased to the point of blind. But we'll see who was right in the Pavlik fight.

- KO'ing the previously unbeaten Jorge Solis and jumping to lightweight to KO the WBC champion for a world title at a 4th weight are far better wins than that joke of a fight v light-middleweight loser Manfredo Jr and a scrappy points win over a guy like Bika.

- When Mayweather retired, Pacquiao got the #1 spot.
He has been a world champion since 2003. Calzaghe has been a world champion since 1997. Calzaghe has had 11 years to prove himself, Pac has had 5. And yet Pac is rated above him. I think The Ring is correct here. He has proved over the last couple of years to be the best.


I agree with Joe Calzaghe on Kessler, I agree with The Ring on the standard of opposition re Calzaghe and Pacquiao over the last 2.5 years, I agree with The Ring over who has done enough in the last couple of years to be Floyd Mayweather's successor as p4p #1, and I agree with the clear answer suggested by the evidence of both guys' records over the past 2.5 years.


You've been done again TFFP - :smoke

 

Yeah Miranda got KOd but before that Kessler duckrd him.Evidence?The contract was signed and Kessler backed off,to hard of a fight to fight back to back after Joe Calzaghe.Risk was too big,Sartision was perfect to fight,now don't get me wrong,Sartison is no bum but he ain't great either

 

I am aware of Sartison's abilities, and he would likely beat Miranda

However, I'm glad you oversaw the negotiations and are free to benefit us all with your inside knowledge and wisdom.

 

True about the 168 lbers but some of the guys at LHW would giev'em big problems or even beat him.Beating this Roy Jones doesn't mean anything altough I give him credit for Hopkins that was good,but still how about:Glen Johnson,Tarver,Erdei,Dawson,Garay,Diaconu,Cloud,those guys are tough SOB.

 

I don't know if Sartison beat's Miranda but would give him a pretty good fight.About the contract,it was in the press and all,Miranda's manager said what I just told you,Kessler's people never denied.

 

Who are you - the ring editor?

What I have discerned from another one of your mammoth posts that is a lot of air and babble, is they are better because Ring Magazine says so

H2H Kessler at his peak trumps wins over aging fighters. And I say aging in boxing terms, it was clear to see they weren't anywhere near their peak. Logic would also back this up, these small guys peak way earlier

Hopkins was past his best too, no getting away from it. Your bull**** about work-rate doesn't come into it. Calzaghe was the better fighter just like Pac against those guys, end of story. Tarver and Wright couldn't expose this horrible lack of stamina and they are supposedly world class fighters.

Marquez beat him. Twice, infact. He put on a counterpunching clinic and Pac got a couple presents. Isn't comparable to Calzaghe's unjustified SD, where Hopkins countering was only effective for about 3/4 rounds at best before Calzaghe dominated.

 

Actually I AM waiting for when Kessler will step up in competition - it'll be interesting to see him matched against a proven fighter. I was dissapointed he didn't take the fight with Miranda. It would have given us a good gauge.

 

Thanks for posting this, but us non-euro nuthuggers already knew this...

 

I'm waiting for him to fight Bute,he and Bute are the last men standing in the 168 lb division

 

He might not be when Andrade is done with him :think