Question for you guys on BHop vs Calzaghe

Well i've seen the fight against Eubank ... Mitchell ... Kessler ... Bika ... Hopkins ... Lacy ... and Brewer --

I think thats enough to see to judge him on how he fights ... usually it only takes one fight to see how a person is ... noticing his bad habits -

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Maybe we were referring to two different things...thats fine, but you cant deny that EVERY TIME Bernard threw in combination, he landed the better punches...which is what I was referring to.

I wanted Hopkins to win more than probably everyone else on here and YOU KNOW I know how to score a fight...and I had it close and for Calzaghe.

I gave Joe EVERY SINGLE close round...as I felt he pressed the action more in them. But even with that, I had it 8-4. Im sorry, I just cant see 9-3. Ive watched it OVER and OVER and still come to the conclusion of 8-4 to 6-6 (mostly 8-4 tho).

http://www.***********.dot com/?m=show&id=13599

(edit, cant post the website here...so lets just say its always on the SCENE when it comes to BOXING)

Here is an exerpt from the article...an ACTUAL QUOTE from Joe.

"I had to let my hands go as the fight wore on," Calzaghe said. "He was very defensive.

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, but he never caught me with a clean punch. It was the toughest fight of my career. He's very clever. I'm very proud."

Again, this is an actual quote from Calzaghe (he also admitted to being hurt in his post fight interview). He was not on ***** street but he was definately hurt.

From Webster's Dictionary...

nullify
Main Entry: nul·li·fy
Pronunciation: \ˈnə-lə-ˌfī\
Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): nul·li·fied; nul·li·fy·ing
Etymology: Late Latin nullificare, from Latin nullus
Date: 1595
1: to make null; especially : to make legally null and void
2: to make of no value or consequence

In other words...yes, you did.

There were very few rounds that I would consider dominated in this fight....for either man.

I had Hopkins winning 4 clearly (not dominantly other than the first). I had Joe winning 5 clearly (not dominantly as well). I had 3 very close rounds....again...all of which I gave to Joe.

Just the fact that you are using the word DOMINATE is kind of a stretch.

I would like to know who these proficient scorers are. Because I consider myself (and you have considered me as well) damn good at scoring a fight. And I cant see 9-3...I think that is just too much (as I said, every round I considered close, I gave to Joe...every single one).

Again, you are mistaking your opinion for the opinion of the masses. Go look at how many people have it close as opposed to your way....its not a myth, its fair scoring.

 

a younger Hopkins would've destroyed Calzaghe and stopped him late....

 

Did anyone else notice how rocked Calzaghe got the two or three times BHop let his hands go on the inside and landed clean shots on Joe? In the replays Joe looked like he'd never been hit so hard and lost his balance.

After the first round BHop demonstrated Joe's inability to handle those power-combos (if you will call them that for the sake of this post), Freddy started telling BHop to walk him down.

I don't think Berr-narrrd (as Manny calls him) was aware of the effectiveness he had landing hooks on the inside, cause he's so used to his "power" being a non-issue.

Every time I watch this fight over, I keep wishing BHop could have pushed forward a bit.


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Great post. There was another point in the fight, right at the end of one of the middle rounds (can someone tell me which one it was?), where Hop caught him with a couple and Calzaghe was swaying, if the round had lasted another minute B-Hop could've got him out of there. Watching the fight, I was surprised by how much more powerful Hopkins' punches looked compared to Joe's, there was a definite gulf in power.

 

are you talking about at the end of the 7th where joe tried to flurry and hopkins caught with a counter combination that rocked him right before the bell??
i agree that when hopkins put his punches together calzaghe couldnt handle him because it made calzaghe second guess his attacks
i will say this to everyone saying this was a wide decision for joe is pretty stupid and in denial....the facts are that the fight was very much a fight of two halves i thought hopkins got the better of thie first half and his stamina failed him in the second half and calzaghe came back...i myself couldnt find a round to give to calzaghe until round 5 purely because he was boxing bernards fight and not landing anything effective even enzo in the corner between rounds was telling joe to box his fight...round 5 joe started to jab and step out and maintained a gap landing some good shots...rounds 6 7 and 8 to me are swing rounds that decided the out come for me as i gave 6 and 7 to b-hop on clean effective punching and joe clearly took the 8th on higher workrate and clean shots

 

After having seen it a couple of times, I can't score it any closer than 8-4 Calzaghe, meaning at least a 3 point win counting the knockdown. If Cortez had called it the same way he did the Hatton fight, it would've been more lopsided.

Outside of the first third of the fight, Hopkins didn't land cleanly enough to win rounds. Bernard succeeded in turning the fight ugly, but doing that doesn't mean that he won at it- Calzaghe landed more shots, and often the cleaner shots, on the inside and Hopkins had more and more trouble landing the lead right as the fight went on- but he'd still clinch regardless to try and stifle Joe's offense. While it worked to an extent, all that clinching also meant Hopkins wasn't doing any scoring, either, and enough of Joe's shots still landed to win him rounds. By the end of it, Hops looked frustrated that he wasn't able to break Joe down by bullying him on the inside the way he's done to alot of other fighters.

And, to answer the poll question, at no point was Calzaghe in real danger of getting stopped. Hops had 11 rounds after the knockdown to replicate it with Joe coming forward and didn't come close to knocking him down again.

 

Yeah, I agree.

 

I didnt just say that I said in my opinion he landed the cleaner more accurate punches .........:huh

 

Hopkins never once hurt him, he also lost the fight comfortably... get over it people.

 

i'd be interested to see a few round by rounds from people here if anyone has done one

 

Calzaghe was never hurt in at fight at all. He got dropped by a right hand and bernard helped push him down. He got back and won at least 8 rounds. I noticed for the first time in Bhops boxing life he was hit flush on the chin many many times left hand and right hands. Bernard fake low blows to get a breather twice. Calzaghe in the 10th round had the crowd on there feet and cheering for him. Bernard In the 11th Bhop faked anbother low blow and cortez tld himit was not low. Calzaghe hit him 3 flush punchs. Bernard was annoyed and off his game. Calzaghe is the only fighter to ever hit bhop on a constant basis with flush shots.

 

Thats bull****. Calzaghe is 36 close to thirty seven. Joe would have been even faster 3 years ago.