Questions on Ali vs. Bonevvena

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    An orthodox fighter can of course throw a right hook. In this case it was more like an overhand right hand, though.
     
  2. tommygun711

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    i know it was a right hand. but it was still a pullcounter
     
  3. klompton

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    A right hook is thrown from a southpaw stance. Not orthodox. Just like a southpaw cannot deliver a left hook from a southpaw stance. The body mechanics are all wrong for it. The lead foot is opposite of the hooking arm. In fact, I always had a problem with Mickey Ward's vaunted "left hook" to the liver for the simple fact that he often turned southpaw to throw it. Meaning it wasnt really a classical hook but more of a looping left to the body.


    That being said, whatever you want to call the TAP that Ali hit Liston with its highly debatable (and unlikely if you ask me) that he actually knocked Liston out at all.
     
  4. Bokaj

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    Don't agree at all. We practice right hooks in training all the time. As a single punch I almost only throw it to the body, but in close I can definitely throw a right hook after a left one.

    The right hook is not a common punch, but of course it exists.
     
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    I guess we can agree to disagree because the punch you are describing leaves you open defensively and off balance.
     
  6. Bokaj

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    I'm not saying it's an optimal punch*, but it can be, and is, thrown. Even Frazier used a right hook now and then (but mostly to the body).

    *It's risky since it has a long way to travel, but it doesn't leave you off balance if you throw it properly.
     
  7. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The referee let Ali get away with too much. He should have lost a point after refusing the corner, and Bonavena given some time to recover.
     
  8. Another case of Clay's Overrated,
    "****".
    No need to,
    "explain".
     
  9. MRBILL

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    10-3-1 going into the 15th stanza? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick..:shock:

    But, we cool..:good

    MR.BILL:hat
     
  10. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Found it,,,,,,,,

    One more tune-up versus Tony Doyle,,,,,,,,but Doyle was upset by James J. Woody
    (twice) in late 1970.

    Muhammad Ali vs. Tony Doyle, after the Bonavena fight.
    But, Ali was beat-up after the gruelling fight, and Tony Doyle got upset by
    James J. Woody.