Quitting

What a ridiculous way to misread what i was saying. To insinuate i would only be happy if somebody got hurt is insulting. Go **** yourself.

 

Tough teak Ricky Burns fought through 8 rounds with a broken jaw clearly in serious pain - somehow got a draw in a fight where he was badly and clearly beaten up.

Burns was never anywhere near the same fighter since that fight skipping away for 12 rounds to tame defeats.

 

Dr Earn should be a bigger man and focus on his own circus

 

Yeah, but I think you mistake valid criticism of his value as a fighter for moral outrage at him quitting.
Admittedly, boxing people and fans do have a tendency to exaggerate the importance of everything, but that's what sports fans do. People get passionate.
But at the end of the day, the CRITICISM of QUITTERS is usually just a sporting assessment. No one is actually saying "force him to fight" and few are making a moral judgement on him as a human being. Just assessing the attributes as a fighter.
At championship level, heart gets tested and we are entitled to judge.

Also, there's nothing wrong with praising the expected behaviour. I've worked for good people before who have expected me to do a good job but they still praised and thanked me for doing a good job. That's just normal decency.
In boxing, champions are expected to show immense heart and when they do we praise them. Nothing wrong with that. It's polite and respectful and normal - in British culture anyway.

 

I don't know.
Anyone who quits is a quitter on that night.
I haven't seen enough of Allen's fights to know. I don't even know why he's so talked about so much.
Allen was never a champion and he was never regarded as a good fighter so I doubt it's remarkable whether he was quitter or not.

 

It appears to me that you think people saying he quit is a bad thing. If you're not, fair enough, I've got it wrong. In fact, it looks like maybe I have read you wrong.

Re: nurological - If we dissect his post, in the purest sense, then his point is agreeable to an extent. It's also disagreeable to an extent.

The way in which it is agreeable is that a so-called "warrior", "go out on my shield", "never say die" attitude is of course beneficial in a singular bout of boxing. However, Dianabol Dubois quitting may have safeguarded against prolonged or exacerbated injury and therefore he may be better off in future, even if he managed to win the bout. It is his career and his choice, as I see it.

Re: fhaggis - I can see where the guy is coming from, but it's not a view that I subscribe to. I have seen a few of these sort of posts, but they are in the minority. I think that athletes are obliged to (largely - there are tactical interventions that may permit "tanking" in some instances) give their best effort, and I think Dubois did that.

 

Who are these doctors though and where's the x-ray and diagnosis ?We don't know. Could Hearn know ? Maybe but I doubt it. Hearn should not say that unless he knows for sure. But he's a boxing promoter and that means he's a professional liar. On the other hand, Warren is a boxing promoter too, and it was Warren who first gave the media the story that it was a broken orbital. Both of them have a motive to lie, one more so than the other. But I'll give the fighter the benefit of the doubt. Everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt in boxing.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Dubois has a fracture, with big heavyweights in contest gloves damage is not unlikely. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a boxing promoter completely devastated by the unexpected quitting of his favourite prospect plays some "damage limitation" PR to save the reputation of what he thinks of as his golden goose. We will never know.
The reason someone like Hearn would even raise the question is because he knows full what he'd do if he was in a position where a young heavyweight prospect unexpected went out like that. Hearn would make up a story and make sure every reporter gets the press release.

Like I say, we should give the fighter the benefit of the doubt.
But when you've followed boxing as long as I have, it's wise to take everything with a pinch of salt.

I hope Dubois is alright anyway.

 

I called you out because your words, not mine, that Dubois is less of a fighter. If you think less of a BOXER because he has decided that enough is enough and he is getting hurt badly then you subscribe to the view that boxers should allow themselves to be hurt regardless of other intangibles. You can be upset as you like and tell me to **** this and **** that but it's viewpoints like your own that make young boxers feel they have no choice but take a pasting.

Point taken on the praise for expected behaviours, I agree in the context you use it. However I'd disagree in the boxing sense, and I do think it's one way or another, I don't think it's fair to attach negative connotations to quitting and positive ones to not quitting with no grey areas.

I do understand your point about people judging and the moral vs sporting assessment and somewhat do agree with you, it's a well balanced point certainly. For example, I wouldn't object against someone making the statement "Daniel Dubois is a boxer who will not risk his long-term health against short-term glory, which means in tough contests he may come up short" but I would disagree with the statement "Daniel Dubois is less of a boxer because he allowed himself to be counted out voluntary."

For example, boxer's like Micky Ward, Derry Mathews and Ruslan Provodnikov (to name a few) have had a "never say never" attitude and it has served them well in a number of come-from-behind victories. That behaviour can be praised because they are solid boxers who won't stop until they are beaten regardless of health - even if that costs them a beating every now and then.

On the other hand, I wouldn't speak down on boxers such as Victor Oritz - who has boxed at the highest level (and won there too) but if he is taking a beating (ala Maidana / Lopez) bouts he is willing to stop and survive to box another day. You could argue that if you manage to break Ortiz' jaw or hurt him badly, he may crumble and back away and that's a key to victory. It doesn't mean he is less of a boxer and despite a reputation as a quitter he's been heavily dropped and managed to come back, proving its circumstantial.

 

I never once said I think less of him at all. Maybe my wording was wrong but if you go into a fight with a mindset set of when it gets tough I'll quit then you are in trouble, boxing will constantly gut check you. That's the point I was making. To suggest I want to see a fighter hurt is a ****ing joke. Ive been there when boxers have collapsed and it made me question why I watch the sport at all.

 

shite reply mate, i never said i wanted anyone to get hurt, not a fan of mma as i feel its to violent. We pay to watch top level sports as these people are meant to do what we cant/wont. it was a fight, he is a fighter, known as a boxing/ being a boxer.

he quit, end of. that's not why we watch sport, not why these people get paid more than us.

 

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Hearn is a ****s ****.

 

That is very poor and I am going to boycott all his PPVs and DAZN for life in protest.

 

Me too.

He is boxings Claire Sweeney, just saying anything to stay relevant.

No more PPV money from me to the point that i won't even switch the TV on in protest at them!!!

 

Anyone who wants to see a boxer fight on despite a closed eye leaving him unable to see his opponents jab has clearly forgotten watching Groves vs Eduard Gutkneckt.

Gutkneckt's corner let him down and he paid a horrible price. Dubois will come again and he will have gotten out of bed this morning.

 

Real classy bloke he is.....