Ranking Jack Sharkey's Filmed Fights, By Performance

You're right, a bunch of no's and a couple names.

I'll ask you a question. Is there a fighter with worse opposition on the list?

That's rhetorical, BTW.

Nobody cares about any of that ****. He quit against Chris Byrd and he lost to an ancient Lennox Lewis - both of whom took their fights on short notice - and then he was given hell by an old part-time fighter in Sanders.

If your list is head-to-head, then who was better past 30 is irrelevant, and so is whoever gets in the HOF first. It's H2H, and it's an undeniable fact that he quit against Chris Byrd and had his face ripped to shreds by Lennox Lewis in his final fight.

Having him multiple tiers above Liston, Bowe, Holyfield and Tyson is a joke.

 

WOW, you just skipped all of my questions. That's because you know I'm correct and you just don't want to say so.

Did you even read the opening line?

I said, based on legacy, and head to head. Not in exact order.

The hall of fame is full of quitters, and many did so with lesser injuries or no injuries, guys such as ;Duran, Sugar Ray Robinson, Holyfield, and Tyson. Yes, Holyfield quit on his stool complaining that blood was getting in his eye and that could not see. Vitali had a worse cut, he fought on for many more round without quitting. Holy's fight was later changed to a NC, but that does not change the fact that he opted out. . How are those fighters and facts? Didn't Tyson quite twice? I could list many more names, I hope my point was made.

No serious fan thinks Vitali un-injured looses to Byrd. Later in his career VItlai beat Chisora with the same injury.

So he lost to Lewis, up 4-2 on a cut that looked bad but was not bleeding much. Everybody losses if they fight as many and an older age. Lewis would not re-match. Vitali took this fight on 2 weeks notice. Everybody on the list lost to lesser fighters than Lewis, and this includes Ali, so your point is muted

On Liston, Bowe, Holy and Tyson, the lost to lesser men than Vitali's' only two defeats, and you know it. Well--Bowe got DQ Wins in fights he was getting pounded in, so maybe no technical speaking for Bowe. My points stand

Vitlai fought all but one fighter with a winning record, all 200+ pound heavies, and 10 Ring Magazine rated opponents, which is better than quite a few on this list. Main point the's better than J Sharkey and belongs in the top 25. Let me see you top 25 by the way, I could use a laugh.

 

Did you even read the opening line?

I said "You're right, a bunch of no's and a couple names."

What are you talking about?

I'm gonna shut this line of conversation down before you embarrass yourself.

I never said that Vitali shouldn't be the in hall of fame because he quit. I said he shouldn't be ranked as high as four ever head-to-head, because he quit vs Byrd. And I said that - and I appreciate that I got your list's criteria wrong in your reply to me - him getting in the hall of fame has nothing to do with a head-to-head list.

I fixed that for you. Whether or not he'd lose to Byrd or not if he wasn't injured is irrelevant. He quit in an even fight vs somebody with no power. No serious fan ignores that. Why are you propping up Chisora like he isn't a nobody? The guy loses one in every three fights.

Yeah, he lost. By stoppage. To an old, out of shape man who also took the fight on two weeks notice. Why did he need a rematch? He made Vitali looked like roadkill and was already contemplating retirement. He beat him and said "**** this, see-ya later". And no, the point is not moot. Because that was Vitali's only fight vs anybody who resembled something close to elite, and he lost. Unless you consider Byrd, whom made him quit.

Vitali's only two fights vs decent opposition are stoppage losses. No matter how you try to spin that, you'll never get away from that.

Not in their prime, they didn't.

Great, good for him and good for you. None of them were good enough to put him at top four. Or ten. Or twenty.

The only thing laughable about my list is how much yours pales in comparison to it.
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/my-top-50-hws.655123/

 

A few things to learn. Lewis ever at age 37 was still a very good fighter, better than most people losses from other people whom you rank highly. and I can easily show you. Lewis was coming off one his best performances not to far back in Rhaman II. As for Byrd, Vitali injured was way up on points, this shows is class and ability as Byrd was in his prime. Healthy, no doubt Vitali batst Byrd. Don't you think so. Oh a question mark, which means you duck it! You might be the only non hater who thinks otherwise. Hold him accountable for a torn shoulder fine, just be aware there are many you lost higher who quit with lesser injures. Fact.

The boxing community wanted a re-match, Lewis said he'd give one. Can you show me one cuts loss where the guy who was cut lost, but was in the lead. Those are very rare Vitali up 4-2 on all 3 cards. Lewis by the way had puffy eyes, was cut too and facing. He check the re-match for a reason.

Chisora at the time was near top 10 ranked, and ranked inside the top 10.. Not exactly a nobody back them, just so you know.

Decent opposition would be Sanders and Peter, who Vitali dominated. Got it? I think #1 and #3 ring ranked guys are decent. But that is just me.

Its look at this list.

#29. Vitali Klitschko - A Joke. He'd whip and had more accomplishment than just about anyone from #28-18.
#28. Bob Fitzsimmons
#27. Ingo Johansson - A joke. He has one win of note in three tires. Very few would have Ingo this high
#26. Sam Langford - He quit in fights too
#25. Tim Witherspoon
#24. Ken Norton
#23. Chris Byrd
#22. Harry Wills - He quit in a fight by the way, quickly.
#21. Max Baer - Could not fight well, lost a lot, a bit of a gift raking.
#20. Jack Sharkey - A JOKE. You really believe that? I suggest you see how many times he lost and drew, and to whom.
#19. Jersey Joe Walcott
#18. Max Schmeling
#17. Jack Johnson - Quit twice by the way, beat whom? Focus on how he drew and lost to, not his excuses.
#16. James J Jeffries
#15. Riddick Bowe
#14. Jack Dempsey -
#13. Floyd Patterson - Are you being serious? LOL #13?
#12. Ezzard Charles - Never saw Charles this high, congrats!
#11. Sonny Liston - A known quitter and a cheat

#10. Mike Tyson - A known quitter.
#9. Rocky Marciano
#8. Joe Frazier - Based on going 1-4 vs Foreman and Ali and being stopped 3x by them? A tad high.
#7. Wladimir Klitschko
#6. Evander Holyfield - Way over rated. Again look at who he lost to. A fouler and a roid addict to boot.
#5. George Foreman
#4. Lennox Lewis
#3. Larry Holmes
#2. Joe Louis
#1. Muhammad Ali

Dude you are a kid with a lot to learn Holy #6, Charles #12, Patterson #13, and J Sharkey #20! Holy cow, Ive never seen a top 20 list so bad in my life and I must have 50 of them archived. Like I said you have a lot to learn and see. I'll grnatyou being very young, hope by the time your 30 this improves.

 

Mendoza came back and he's destroying himself in his own posts

 

Yeah I'm sure that sloppy, slow old man beats all the heavyweight greats.

You're English is atrocious. Can you spot my mistake?

That was over two years before

In your opinion. Plenty of people had it close, I had Byrd winning four rounds of nine.

First of all, there's no question mark there. Second of all, yeah he might well have beaten him. But in this world, where they actually fought, he didn't. And that's what matters.

The irony of being accused of ducking questions by you of all people is sheer brilliance. Not only have I answered all your questions in this thread, you're renowned on here for being incredibly difficult to get a straight answer out of here.

That's great. You're not very bright, are you? I haven't once said I rate Vitali lower on a greatness list because he quit. Y'know why I haven't said that? Because I don't... I rate him lower because of his ****ing dire opposition and failing to beat the two best of them.

I hope you take great pride in your victory of a fictitious argument that happened in it's entirety in your head.

I never said I rate Vitali low on my heavyweights list because he quit. I said I rate him low head-to-head because he failed to beat Byrd and an old Lennox Lewis.

Yeah, the reason being he was almost 38 with a child on the way

Chisora could've been rated number one, it still doesn't make him a noteworthy fighter. Because watching him, and knowing the results he's had vs everyone good, I know he's a nobody when it comes to the grand scheme of things.

And old Peter and an old Sanders are his best wins. And this is a man you rank in the top four fighters ever?

Christ.

Yeah, sure he would. As proven by his fight with the 23rd.

Patterson > anybody Vitali beat.
Machen > anybody Vitali beat.

Get over it.

Tell that to Schmeling.

Okay Mr. Objective

I've never seen Vitali rated at four before, apparently we're both full of surprises. At least Charles beat fighters worth something.

Post your own top 50 heavyweights and I'll show you how bad that **** is. And I want it with the same criteria as mine - head-to-head playing no part - and do it in a different thread because your utter stupidity and toxicity has caused poor Will's thread to get detailed as it is.

BTW, I hope being condescending to a 'kid' on a boxing forum really completed you. And truly, I hope your English gets better. I'm sure you've practiced a lot, but there's still a few mistakes that you're still making. Y'know, small things like making sense and using real words.

 

Tier 2 Joe Louis ? This Ibeabuchi must have been some Fighter to be as good as Floyd Patterson too.

 

The beast awakens. Go get him Tiger.

 

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I'm a little disappointed I didn't get an already dead.

 

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@ Kid George

Rather than put you in your chair, facing the wall, just show me ANY any top 20 list from a known boxing person or historian that included Jack Sharkey, Ezzard Charles as high as you place him and Floyd Patterson as high as you face him. Not several lists, just one. Honestly, you will have a very hard time finding Sharkey in the top 20 period! Got it?

Straight up, you're a kid, you don't know much about boxing, and you won't find what I'm asking for...as you DUCK my questions here and in the past. Keep hating Vitali @#29 . A JOKE. Some of your picks and where you place them are also jokes.

" I never said I rate Vitali low on my heavyweights list because he quit. I said I rate him low head-to-head because he failed to beat Byrd and an old Lennox Lewis. " - Kid George

Okay kid, let's see who lost to lesser men than Byrd, a man you rate inside the top 30, and Lewis who you rate top 5 who was a very good older 35 year old fighter with two very good wins late in his career. Form here its only how much I want to embarrass you. I'll start with Jack Sharkey and use your own standards.

Jack Sharkey could not beat the following men, who where not close to the Byrd Vitali fought injured ( only reason why he lost ) or Lewis. which he was up 4-2 only to lose when the ring doctor stopped it on cuts.

Risko, Shucco, Gorman, Weinert, Rojas, Roper , and Ricord. Oh I could name more, focus on his struggles with smaller guys, draw and such, and the fact he was down at least 15 times. I'm sure you have seem all of the above on film. Now kid, your standards of judgement are not equal. Your are a biased clown. You do not apply the even your own standards Two losses by Vitali vs. elite level guys, where tore a shoulder and suffered a bad cut, his lone bad cut in his pro or amateur boxer and kick boxer ( 0ver 250 fights ) defines his biggest defeat. You don't think Vitali losses to Byrd healthy do you? This is question I say you will duck again! Because you can't even admit the truth, and you need your biased double standards only applying to him, and because your a kid who needs to learn.

Now should I move down your list from here? Oh what. In your face jr, I can and will if needed. I take it my point is made.

 

Wills quit in one fight against Battling Jim Johnson, because of a broken bone in his wrist sustained in the first round.

 

When in Rome...

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