Really bad night for Golovkin. And huge Props to Jacobs.

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I would agree with you man but I saw too many times moments in the fight where Jacobs was ripe for the taking, even while up against the ropes, and Golovkin was content to go through the motions... even allowing Jacobs space to reset. Being content to be grabbed (wheras other opponents hes wrestling out of the clinches to keep firing away) and just a complete lack of urgency.

    I do agree with you that it must have been Jacobs power that made G cautious of getting hurt. But that is something that needs to be noted going forward if someone is going to properly assess Golovkin against bigger punchers.

    I actually dont think G looked 'bad', I think he looked uninspired and content in a fight that could possibly have gone either way.
     
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    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And the thing is this was nothing to do with how Jacobs was performing, he didnt really have nothing for Golovkin yet he laboured to victory. I personally think he's way past it and should look to get out asap.
     
  3. Richards

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    every great fighters in the past had close fights some even with bums.

    Also your point about him not mentally having it when the going gets tough is completely wrong he had those moments in the past and fought through it
     
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    Rushing often leads to mistakes and getting hit and losing the fight even more than helping in any significant manner. It's something you do as a last resort really.
     
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    During the last 3 round ggg looked tired lol... so maybe a combo of that and cautiousness
     
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    I think GGG should have gone to the body more tbh, he barely did for some reason, if he had done it more I honestly think this fight wouldn't have lasted the distance, he was headhunting too much and also looking too much for 1 punch counters. His jab was pretty good though tonight but he never followed up on it. Should have mixed it up with a right or a left hook behind it.
     
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    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly, most of his shots were missing high. Why he didn't go downstairs more often I'll never know.
     
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    See if you can understand this.

    Im saying what this fight was about, in terms of what it showed the most, to me, was Golovkins mentality.

    Now you see ellerbe, the reason I said that, and Ill break it down barney style for you, isnt because Jacobs wasnt doing good things in there. Its because Golovkin was in a fight that could have gone either way (shocker, because of what Jacobs was doing.. gasp) and showed almost no sense of urgency to go out and take the fight as it was entering the championship rounds. You can be getting outboxed in a close fight and then realize you have to go into the next gear to try and make something happen... Golovkin was in first gear almost the entire fight. Could it have been Jacobs power? Absolutely.... his size? His skill? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, if G wasnt willing to walk through the fire to try and take a fight that was on the line because he was intimidated by Jacobs power, in a fight he probably would have won more convincingly had he done so, then for me and how I will be assessing his matchups and the future of making money on him in the future, tonight becomes about (by becomes about, I mean what is highlighted tonight, for me) is Golovkin mind, and to me it seems somewhat of a liability (in terms of betting).

    I already knew his level.... I know his physical capabilities. Tonight had less to do about that, to me at least, then it had to do with G not willing to go out and walk through fire to try and seal a win in a fight that could have gone either way. Thats my point. Obviously Jacobs did effective work in there. Theres obviously a reason why the fight was on the line.
     
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    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was hard for GGG to get on the inside, Jacobs did a good job keeping him on the outside and either tying up or moving.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He can't pull the trigger anymore. From a pure boxing standpoint the man has declined. He simply can't get to his spots like he did 2+ years ago.
     
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    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jacobs really got a raw deal from both sides. GGG fanatics were writing him off as a glass jawed bum, and GGG haters were doing the same friggin' thing. Selling him short's a mistake. Along with the size and power, he's got the intangibles a guy like Jermain Taylor desperately needed.

    Jacobs fought the gameplan he had to, and executed it about as well as he could've. If he could've solved the jab, he would've won tonight.

    As for Golovkin, I was startled by the lack of urgency. I consider patience in the ring a good thing, but he really crossed the line a bit for me as far as complacency goes. This is a couple fights in a row where I'm just not seeing the fire I'm used to out of him.
     
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    I hear you man, but its one thing to fight through it against opponent you know you physically outmatch. Its another to do it against a bigger guy that is actually hurting you with his shots.
     
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    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His feet are still there but his handspeed and timing are severely lacking, thankfully the jab is still effective.
     
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    I personally think it was all by design GGG wanted to go 12 rounds its been 23 fights since he has gone 12 rounds
     
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    I had it wide for Jacobs, but I was drinking and mingling, so I'll have to rewatch the fight to give a better assessment of the fight.
     
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