Rewatch Fury - Wilder 1, scoring and details inside

DancingLeftAndRight · May 31, 2021

I've just re-watched the PBC version of Fury-Wilder 1. The guy commentating is calling missed Wilder shots or hits on Fury's gloves as connects. Deontay missed so many shots in this bout.

Fury-Wilder 1 IS a little closer overall than what I remembered, imo. Seen it a few times now and I've always scored it for Fury.

Here's my scorecard this time.

Round 1: Fury 10-9
Round 2: Wilder 10-9
Round 3: Fury 10-9
Round 4: Wilder 10-9 (close round, Wilder edged it late in the last 30 seconds imo)
Round 5: Fury 10-9
Round 6: Fury 10-9
Round 7: Even 10-10 (Tight round, Fury scored with the best punch of the round and Wilder missed many of his shots)
Round 8: Fury 10-9.
Round 9: Wilder 10-8 (knockdown round)
Round 10: Fury 10-9
Round 11: Fury 10-9
Round 12: Wilder 10-8 (knockdown round, Fury fought back but gotta give the last 10-8 Wilder imo).

114-113 Fury. This is the closest I've ever had the first Fury-Wilder bout.

If I give Wilder the 7th round, it's a draw. A draw wasn't the worst result then in retrospect. What WAS bad on the night was the 115-111 card of judge Rochin for Wilder. (Shades of 118-110 Canelo with that one.)
Deontay didn't do nearly enough over 12 rounds of boxing to win on the cards by 4 points. He was a little lucky to get a draw if anything. Fury dominated the rematch.

lordlosh · May 31, 2021

Ok, for what exactly you did give the first round for Fury?
Even Robert Tapper who score the bout for Fury, gave the first for Wilder.

DancingLeftAndRight · May 31, 2021

lordlosh said: ↑

Ok, for what exactly you did give the first round for Fury?
Even Robert Tapper who score the bout for Fury, gave the first for Wilder.
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Fury edged the first round imo. I've just watched the first fight from rounds 1 to round 12, the whole fight, and scored each round. I'm not going over it all again!

Jennifer Love Hewitt · May 31, 2021

Round 1: Fury 10-9
Round 2: Fury 10-9
Round 3: Fury 10-9
Round 4: Fury 10-9
Round 5: Fury 10-9
Round 6: Fury 10-9
Round 7: Fury10-9
Round 8: Fury 10-9.
Round 9: Wilder 10-8
Round 10: Fury 10-9
Round 11: Fury 10-9
Round 12: Wilder 10-8

116- 110 Fury

lordlosh · May 31, 2021

DancingLeftAndRight said: ↑

Fury edged the first round imo. I've just watched the first fight from rounds 1 to round 12, the whole fight, and scored each round. I'm not going over it all again!
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For me Wilder won that round, he land a left hook that clearly have an affect of Fury, and actually land more shots than Fury, and do more in that round.
To be fair our scorecards are pretty close, with the exception of the first, and that i have 3 rounds even.
And btw as many shots Wilder manage to misses through the fight, Fury manage to misses a lot as well.

DancingLeftAndRight · May 31, 2021

Just looked at the first round of Fury-Wilder 1 again.
Deontay edged the first minute, then Fury started getting his jab going and finished the opening in attack. He won the last 2 minutes of Round 1 imo.

Fury round for me.

DancingLeftAndRight · May 31, 2021

lordlosh said: ↑

For me Wilder won that round, he land a left hook that clearly have an affect of Fury, and actually land more shots than Fury, and do more in that round.
To be fair our scorecards are pretty close, with the exception of the first, and that i have 3 rounds even.
And btw as many shots Wilder manage to misses through the fight, Fury manage to misses a lot as well.
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Wilder won the first minute of Round 1, Fury used the jab and won the last two minutes imo. He finished the round in attack.
Hey, your card is a little too much for Deontay in my opinion, but not as bad as one of the judges.

Let's just say that Deontay should be happy he got a draw.

Quina74 · May 31, 2021

lordlosh said: ↑

It was actually my first full watch of the fight, before that i was just looking at some of the highlights and been with the general opinion that Fury was robbed, and Wilder clearly lost the fight.
Let me say that i`m not a fan of both fighters, and even if i was i never put bias when commentating or score a fight. Its good to say that i was playing back every moment where i wasn't sure if the punch was landed or not, so there is exactly zero chance of making a mistake.
Here is my scorecards and after that i will comment on certain rounds why i score them like that.
Fury - Wilder
9 - 10
9 - 10
10 - 10
10 - 10
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 10
8 - 10
10 - 9
10 - 9
8 - 10
114 - 115 Wilder

Now i have 3 even rounds, because there was pretty much nothing to separate them. And if i actually got to split them into someone, it would actually be Wilder. Like in the 4th for example, Wilder open a cut to Fury with a hook, and Fury pretty much landed nothing in that round, except for 1 partial jab, and 1 blocked hook on Wilder gloves.
There was very close rounds, that i pretty much gave to Fury.
But people on here obviously are scoring rounds for Fury, for pretty much doing flashy stuff, but actually doing nothing.
You can`t score rounds for Fury, cause he is putting his hands behind the back or raising his hand after every round. He wasn`t throwing much, and most of the jabs he was throwing was either blocked by Wilder or missed.
People give him rounds by default, for his super defense, but things not working like that. First super defense mean when you roll/dodge/avoid/miss enemy punches and come with your own, and counter him, what Floyd Mayweather was doing for example. The only time Fury was actually making Wilder miss and then make him pay was in the rounds were Wilder score a KD, and was going absolutely wild.
To be fair Fury needed 40-50 sec. to recover, after the KD, in both occasion and before start throwing punches. In that time he survive, cause Wilder is idiot, who was swinging like a amateur, and Fury manage to tied him up in the clinch.
So this also bust the myth about Fury incredible recovery.
There is also 2 more factors, that people not consider, that Wilder was the aggressor, and was actually looking to fight, which a lot of judges reward. And also that he was the Champion, and by default you should either give a super close round to the Champ or score it even(not much people doing it).

I expect someone to come and say, that in a lot of rounds Wilder did not land clean, yeah but he was still landing partially, for example with the overhead right on Fury side of the head, or body punches, and while usually if the other fighter manage to land even equal of the same punches, but clean i would give him the round, no matter if its a jab or right hand(i didn`t fall to score rounds for WIlder, cause he was pretty much throwing landing mostly power punches, compare to Tyson jabs), but here is the thing. Fury was way too inactive, and all he was doing was playing a clown, and throwing arm punches landing on thin air far from Wilder.

I`m sorry to dissapoint so many people on here, but even with a slight bias to Fury, at very best Wilder still won the fight with the score i give.
People probably score the fight for Fury, cause he was inactive for so long and manage to do better than people expected, but that's not how you score the fight.
If Fury actually not getting down on the 12 round, then you may have a case for him winning, but no way he won that fight. So Fury should have been happy with the draw.
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Slight bias towards Fury hahah... Have a sit down mate.. This can all be debunked by tackling your useless scoring of round 1.

Being the aggressor does not automatically win you the round. I've just watched it back and it was a feeling out but Fury landed the cleaner more purposeful punches. I can timestamp all the punches landed but I won't humiliate you that much. Ultimately boxing is about clean punching, other criteria are obviously considered but when you're getting outlanded with better punches that's all that should matter.

In summary - Wilder was the aggressor albeit not being very effective . Fury was landing more clean punches, made Wilder miss, fall short and scuff his punches. I wouldn't give anyone the title of ring general this round, although the best argument can towards Fury.. Yes wilder was the aggressor but Fury was controlling the distance hence being able to land the cleaner punches.

Watch it back this time with Wilders pecker out your mouth

Quina74 · May 31, 2021

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

No surprise to see you back a bad score card
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Shadow sees what he wants to see

shadow111 · May 31, 2021

Quina74 said: ↑

Being the aggressor does not automatically win you the round.
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But didn't being the aggressor automatically win GGG the first Canelo fight. That and "Champion's advantage" right.

Quina74 · May 31, 2021

shadow111 said: ↑

But didn't being the aggressor automatically win GGG the first Canelo fight. That and "Champion's advantage" right.
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I have never claimed being the aggressor won GGG the first fight. You're just quoting the casuals who think walking forwards or backwards wins fights. And also, I think having to beat the champion definitively to get the win is a trash flawed concept. That's the same level of argument as the champion, to prove they deserve/should get the win, must dominate their opposition

lordlosh · May 31, 2021

DancingLeftAndRight said: ↑

Just looked at the first round of Fury-Wilder 1 again.
Deontay edged the first minute, then Fury started getting his jab going and finished the opening in attack. He won the last 2 minutes of Round 1 imo.

Fury round for me.
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You should watch it again on slow motion. The jabs you were saying Fury landed, was missing.
Fury barely land a jab
Wilder land left hook in the clinch clearly
Fury throw 3 arm jabs in a row, but all of the 3 misses
Fury throw a jab and miss
Wilder miss a jab
Wilder miss a right hand
They are in a clinch, where Wilder land the best shot of the round left hook and Fury was shaken by that left hook.
Fury partially land a jab
Fury miss 3 jabs in a row
Both of them throw and miss a jab
Wilder misses 2 more
Wilder miss a right hand
Wilder block 2 Fury jabs
Wilder land body shot
Wilder throw right hand, that Fury weave under, but that punch still manage to connect behind the head of Fury
Fury then throw a barrage of punches, and land his right hand cleanly and that conclude the round

lordlosh · May 31, 2021

Quina74 said: ↑

Slight bias towards Fury hahah... Have a sit down mate.. This can all be debunked by tackling your useless scoring of round 1.

Being the aggressor does not automatically win you the round. I've just watched it back and it was a feeling out but Fury landed the cleaner more purposeful punches. I can timestamp all the punches landed but I won't humiliate you that much. Ultimately boxing is about clean punching, other criteria are obviously considered but when you're getting outlanded with better punches that's all that should matter.

In summary - Wilder was the aggressor albeit not being very effective . Fury was landing more clean punches, made Wilder miss, fall short and scuff his punches. I wouldn't give anyone the title of ring general this round, although the best argument can towards Fury.. Yes wilder was the aggressor but Fury was controlling the distance hence being able to land the cleaner punches.

Watch it back this time with Wilders pecker out your mouth
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And who the f***** said that being the aggressor automatically won you the round dude? Quote me where i said exactly the same thing!!!
I have stated that saying Fury superior defense should get him the close round, can be countered by the statement for Wilder being the aggressor.
And you should get a glasses. There is a good option to put it on 0.25 or 0.50 speed. But i guess there is no glasses for bias. Some of you are just scoring Fury jabs, when they are clearly barely missing, but at the same time are not scoring Wilder glancing blow and call them a miss.
Fury misses almost all of his jabs in round 1, and if you can't see this, then the only one bias here is you.
As i said it many time, every single one on here who followed me post, or can just check my post history, can see that so far i have never ever used a 1 good word for Wilder.
So you can GTFO if you think i`m even a slight bias towards Wilder scoring this fight.
And you should watch it back, but this time, without putting your head deep into Fury big fat a..

And again even the judge that score the fight for Fury, gave Wilder the one, so you can GTFO straight away !!!

bailey · May 31, 2021

lordlosh said: ↑

It was actually my first full watch of the fight, before that i was just looking at some of the highlights and been with the general opinion that Fury was robbed, and Wilder clearly lost the fight.
Let me say that i`m not a fan of both fighters, and even if i was i never put bias when commentating or score a fight. Its good to say that i was playing back every moment where i wasn't sure if the punch was landed or not, so there is exactly zero chance of making a mistake.
Here is my scorecards and after that i will comment on certain rounds why i score them like that.
Fury - Wilder
9 - 10
9 - 10
10 - 10
10 - 10
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 10
8 - 10
10 - 9
10 - 9
8 - 10
114 - 115 Wilder

Now i have 3 even rounds, because there was pretty much nothing to separate them. And if i actually got to split them into someone, it would actually be Wilder. Like in the 4th for example, Wilder open a cut to Fury with a hook, and Fury pretty much landed nothing in that round, except for 1 partial jab, and 1 blocked hook on Wilder gloves.
There was very close rounds, that i pretty much gave to Fury.
But people on here obviously are scoring rounds for Fury, for pretty much doing flashy stuff, but actually doing nothing.
You can`t score rounds for Fury, cause he is putting his hands behind the back or raising his hand after every round. He wasn`t throwing much, and most of the jabs he was throwing was either blocked by Wilder or missed.
People give him rounds by default, for his super defense, but things not working like that. First super defense mean when you roll/dodge/avoid/miss enemy punches and come with your own, and counter him, what Floyd Mayweather was doing for example. The only time Fury was actually making Wilder miss and then make him pay was in the rounds were Wilder score a KD, and was going absolutely wild.
To be fair Fury needed 40-50 sec. to recover, after the KD, in both occasion and before start throwing punches. In that time he survive, cause Wilder is idiot, who was swinging like a amateur, and Fury manage to tied him up in the clinch.
So this also bust the myth about Fury incredible recovery.
There is also 2 more factors, that people not consider, that Wilder was the aggressor, and was actually looking to fight, which a lot of judges reward. And also that he was the Champion, and by default you should either give a super close round to the Champ or score it even(not much people doing it).

I expect someone to come and say, that in a lot of rounds Wilder did not land clean, yeah but he was still landing partially, for example with the overhead right on Fury side of the head, or body punches, and while usually if the other fighter manage to land even equal of the same punches, but clean i would give him the round, no matter if its a jab or right hand(i didn`t fall to score rounds for WIlder, cause he was pretty much throwing landing mostly power punches, compare to Tyson jabs), but here is the thing. Fury was way too inactive, and all he was doing was playing a clown, and throwing arm punches landing on thin air far from Wilder.

I`m sorry to dissapoint so many people on here, but even with a slight bias to Fury, at very best Wilder still won the fight with the score i give.
People probably score the fight for Fury, cause he was inactive for so long and manage to do better than people expected, but that's not how you score the fight.
If Fury actually not getting down on the 12 round, then you may have a case for him winning, but no way he won that fight. So Fury should have been happy with the draw.
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I don't agree with your scorecard but am not out to discredit it as scoring can be a subjective thing

I thought Fury was a clear winner but different people see different things

Have a look at the third round again in the link. It starts at around 24mins in
I'm curious how you found it to be even. I thought it was a clear round for Fury

Have another look and see what you think
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lordlosh · May 31, 2021

bailey said: ↑

I don't agree with your scorecard but am not out to discredit it as scoring can be a subjective thing

I thought Fury was a clear winner but different people see different things

Have a look at the third round again in the link. It starts at around 24mins in
I'm curious how you found it to be even. I thought it was a clear round for Fury

Have another look and see what you think
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Will watch it on the one with no commentators again and will tell you what i think.

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