RJJ or James Toney?

I actually agree with this. Toney may even have a few better top wins.
What do you think are Toney's and RJJ's top 3 wins?

 

I like James Toney better then Roy Jones, I'm a big fan of both but James Toney has to be my favorite all time fighter. But when it comes to overall whos the better of the two I gotta side with Jones. At SMW I can't think of anyone I'd pick to beat Jones, I can only think of a couple I'd pick over Toney as well but Jones has to get the nod it the division both were at their best in. Light Heavyweight Jones was great while Toney was never able to reach his full potential at light heavyweight. I feel if he got the nod in the Griffin fights like I think he deserved he probably would've went on to get a belt in the division. Then when it comes to the bigger divisions I favor Toney overall I feel his craft would make him overall more effective then Jones with his talent but head to head I'd still pick Jones to beat Toney at heavyweight. I always see Roy Jones being a bad match up for Toney and overall I gotta put Jones higher on my all time ratings.

 

RJJ is way ahead of Toney. Yes he fought on to the point of the pathetic but until the Tarver loss he had one fantastic career.

 

Roy Jones Jr. is much greater, was much better, and has a far better resume.

 

For Toney: Nunn, Mc Callum, Jirov
For Jones: Toney, Tarver, Ruiz.

 

I literally LOL at anybody claiming RJJ has the better resume. That's simply not true. Jones was the better fighter, but by no means did he have a better resume

 

Before Tarver, as is the cut off point for this thread, he has a better record against common opponents and a win over Toney himself. So I'd say he had the better record.

 

See his win over Toney counts for a little, but not as much as you'd believe. I think you'd agree that Toney wasn't in the best shape for that fight and clearly was drained even making the weight. That certainly wasn't a prime Toney. It's like claiming RJJ beat a prime Hopkins. Hopkins improved after. Let me ask you this:

Name the top 5 wins for Roy and the Top 5 wins for Toney. I think you'll see Toney's are better, and decisively so imo

 

Toney was definitely prime. If he was poorly prepared is an open question, but he always had problems making weight back then. I have a hard time seeing why it should have been a bigger obstacle for him than usual. He looked aces against Williams shortly before.

And you could dismiss Toney's win over Nunn by the same token. Many think Nunn was on the slide due to partying and slack training. I'm not completely sold on that one either, though. But Jones definitely beat Toney with more ease than Toney beat Nunn. That is absolutely undisputable. I also think Toney had looked better in the fights before Jones than Nunn had looked before the fight with Toney.

And while we're on the subject of questioning wins, I think Toney clearly lost the rematch to McCallum. I also think he got one of the big gifts in the history of the sport against Tiberi. His win over Reggie Johnson was also close and could possibly have gone the other way.

So there are a more question marks over Toney's wins than RJJ's. That can't be seriously disputed.

RJJ:s top five pre Tarver (as is the period discussed here): Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz, Griffin and Hill

Toney's during the same period: Nunn, Jirov (it was shortly after RJJ-Ruiz but before RJJ-Tarver, so I included it), Barkley, Griffin (I think Toney earned the decision) and then no one really stands out, but perhaps Williams or Johnson.

So definitely RJJ here for me. Especially if you consider he hardly lost a round in these wins.

Then he also had much fewer losses, so this really is a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

Now if we're talking their whole careers, I think a case for Toney can be made.

 

I'm going by the period defined in the OP. That is really the opposite of an own agenda.

And I also said in the post you quoted that it does look different if we consider their whole careers. So I don't see where you're coming from at all.

 

Good list. I think you can name Hopkins as high as #2 for RJJ. Pre-prime Hopkins but RJJ handled him fairly easily in my opinion. That was a pre-prime RJJ as well.

Here's mine:
RJJ
Toney
Hopkins
Ruiz
Tarver
Hill
Griffin
Johnson
Harding

Toney
Nunn
McCallum
Jirov
Barkey
Johnson
Holyfield
Williams
Littles

Sorry, I had to go as far as I could with meaningful wins.

 

Jones for me, but BOY, Toney was an excellent fighter in his prime.

 

Roy's best wins are said to be against Hopkins and Toney. They look good on paper but Hopkins was a bit green back then and Toney was not in proper shape. The Nunn and Mc Callum win rank higher in my opinion.

The Tarver win (by Jones) and the Jirov win (by Toney) rank quite equal in my opinion.