Roberto Duran at 135lbs

Agreed. De La Hoya's high guard done well blocking as he advanced. Mayweathers hooks were totally blocked as De La Hoya was looking to get off with punches centre ring.

 

It look me a little while to do my last reply as was doing other things at the same time. But with your take on in the 'inside' comparison, it looks like we read from the same sheet.

"Mayweather has excellent defense, he simply lacks the offense needed to beat someone like Duran, who is just as skilled defensively in close as Floyd is, but much moreso offensively"

 

To be honest, i think the young pre-prime Duran that fought like a swarmer against Marcel, Kobayashi and Buchanan would just run right through Mayweather, winning more or less every round.

Some of them would be competitive, some one-sided.All duran's.

The later more reserved Duran would be a closer though still comfortable winner.

 

Duran's best victories at lightweight:

Ray Lampkin - mediocre

Viruet - crushed in three by Rosario, who was absolutely crushed by Chavez - two DECISION losses to Duran.

Saoul Mamby - very mediocre

Estaban De Jesus - quality win, very difficult, and De Jesus is a bigger name than his record deserves just because of the Duran fights.

Then he moved up to Junior Welter. The first SRL fight was a unanimamous decision with a ONE POINT difference on two judges scorecards, two points on the third and I've watched the fight several times and I do believe SRL won it, opinions may vary. What's not debatable is that SRL humiliated, outclassed and dominated Duran in the rematch.

Duran is mainly thought of so well because of the Hagler fight. Hagler, who went life and death with elite welterweights past their prime and moving up, Hagler who went life and death with Edison Miranda type fighters over and over.

Duran would be lucky to lay a glove on Mayweather, it would be as easy for $may as the second fight was for SRL because Mayweather would never be dumb enough to slug with him in the first place. imho Castillo stops Duran, let alone JCC.

Duran is like Marciano and Lewis - fighters whose reps have been built up to ridiculous proportions waaaaaaay out of line with their actual acheivements in the ring.

 

I always saw Duran's jab as more of a baiter to land his right hand. He would paw out his jab like that, awaiting the counter, and then use his beautiful overhand right to land over the top of the opponent's jab.

I said Floyd would make it interesting in the center of the ring, but Duran wouldn't be outclassed there, as it wouldn't be there often IMO.

 

If Buchanan could take a few rounds off a young and hungry Duran then I'd almost put my life savings on Mayweather doing the same and possibly more. And please folks, don't tell me Buchanan was as versatile or defesively skilled as Mayweather, because he clearly wasn't. Buchanan's movement was his main defensive attribute. He was a pure boxer who got on his toes. Mayweather can do that, with more special effects.

 

THe punchstats weren't ludicrous, Mayweather was really outlanding Delahoya 2-1, which is mighty impressive. Mayweather did miss allot more than usual when 5'11 Delahoya went into a shell and kept a high guard, however he didnt miss anything like as much as Delahoya, you really need to watch this fight in slow mo to appreciate how Mayweather kept Delahoyas connect percent so low

Mayweather offense isn't as good as Duran's but:

1. His offense is underrated, especially 135 and below
2. He doesn't focus on offense, so his offensively qualities are underlooked
3. Because he focuses on hit and not been hit he doesn't get drawn into wars and fights on his terms

 

PS: I have every Duran fight on tape. As well as every SRL, Morales, Barrera, Tzsyu, Ali, Tyson - get the point?

Actually watch the fights instead of just read about them. It will open your eyes.

 

I agree with your statement about Mayweather having the advantage on the outside. But I think you underrate him on the inside, he fights on the inside so much because he has an amazing inside defense, getting caught flush once in a blue moon and potent inside counters. Thats why the 100punch a round Chavez got broken down and stopped, why Hatton got ko'd, why Castillo couldn't beat him, why Delahoya couldnt use pressure effectively and so on

 

You left out one of his top two biggest wins in Buchanan. You also left out the likes of Ernesto Marcel(actually fought at 130 when Duran was 18, against an excellent fighter), Guts Ishimatsu, Hiroshi Kobayashi, Lou Bizzaro, Vilomar Fernandez, Hector Thompson, etc.

You basically just chose random fight and classified them as his best. In other words, you don't have a clue about his resume.

You're the first person I've heard that's had Leonard winning, though it was very close. Either way, the LW Duran beat the WW Leonard, the harder hitting Leonard, in a brawl, so what does that say? Leonard himself was only up 2 points in the rematch, and had to resort to clowning to get Duran off his game and frustrated. There are many excuses really for that bout, none of which I like to use, though many of them may hold water.

You're done. Stop posting.

Can we get a mod in here?

Mod? Anywhere?

 

Every single fight? Nah, you're talking nonsense. Many of Duran's lightweight fights are hard to get a hold of, espesically his non-title bouts. I recently viewed his non-title bout against Viruet, but it's mostly his title fights that are available, usually in poor quality and in Spanish.

 

Alright this ****** is really getting on my nerves now.

 

Guts Ishimatsu Suzuki. He actually held the WBC crown for a couple of years. Before De Jesus won it in 1975 (I think) Infact, it may well have been De Jesus who took the title off him. I never use boxrec for dates and facts believe it or not, so not going to start cheating.

 

Boxrec check gives me this: Suzuki won the WBC title in April 1974 against Gonzalez and lost it to De Jesus in May 1976. I was correct with the couple of years and losing it to De Jesus, but a year out with when he won it.

 

Kobayashi lost to Ramos and Navarro in his prime, as well as a couple other nonames, and had lost his fight previous to Duran. In fact Duran was his retirement fight so I would say he was past his prime.

Buchanan - you are correct, I should have listed that as a quality win.

Bizarro etc - no huge glory there, they weren't great fighters by ANY stretch of the imagination.

What does the first win over Leonard say? It says he could beat a boxer fighting him at his own game. What happened when Duran fought a HOF puncher in Hearns? He nearly got decapitated. What happened when SRL fought him like SRL? He quit in the middle of the round and went home.

His record DOES NOT support ATG status. HOF, sure. ATG, no ****ing way. Overrated.

Now keep screaming for a mod. It's fun to slaughter sacred cows while their worshippers cry.