Roberto Duran at 135lbs

I don't believe Mayweather needs to be compared to Buchanan to say a young Duran would dominate him.

Buchanan was a hack anyway.

Marcel was better than him or Mayweather though.

 

Ramos and Navarro were no names? I'll have to assume you're just trolling at this point.

Normally SRL was a boxer-puncher, he stood flat-footed quite a lot. He fought his normal fight against Duran, but got pressed and outdone. In the rematch he fought a much more moving, clowning style so as not to get caught up in any exchanges with the smaller, lighter hitting LW. Duran was not at his best in this fight for a variety of reasons really. Against Hearns at 154? You're counting that against the natural LW who was facing the absolute worst stylistic matchup he could have? No LW is ever beating Hearns.

His record as one of the best and most dominant LW champions of all time, combined with moving up in weight to beat one of the best WW's of all time and carving out a nice WW resume of his own, combined with fighting on past his prime and continuing to have success at MW, clearly shows his ATG status. You're a clown. **** off.

 

Marcel was better than Mayweather? The same Marcel that lost to the Agustin Cedeno (6-11-4 3ko) and Miguel Riasco before fighting Duran? Marcel got better after the Duran fight, but to compare him to Mayweather is a hell of a stretch.

Pretty awesome way to retire though... beat Arguello and walk off into the sunset.

 

No, Ramos and Navarro are names. That's why I named them. The other guys were nonames.

No, he didn't fight his normal fight. He stood right in front of Duran and tried to burn him down, and that's not what SRL did best. He stuck and moved, not slugged. He only turned into a slugger when forced, as against Hearns. Duran wasn't at his best?? oh ok, then SRL wasn't at his best either.

Exactly. It's the longevity and the moving up to pick off the inexperienced Davey Moore and the overrated Hagler that makes people swoon over him. There are plenty of lightweights with deeper resumes and better opponents.

Ah yes.. now we see the true personality of every SRL/ODLH hater and Pryor/Duran freak. He was a bad guy and makes you think you're one by extension. Loser.

 

This guy is probably just an alias.

Either that or an Ike Quartey or Felix Trinidad fan.

 

[url]Watch[/url] his fights with Finch, Kalule, Mayweather Sr., etc. Aside from the higher level guys who it'd have been suicide to fight that way against(Hagler, Hearns) he fought that way often, though he did use movement. He didn't stick and move other than in spots.

SRL's plan for the rematch was to have it as soon as possible, as he knew about Duran's habits of gaining weight in between fights and how he'd baloon up to 200 pounds. By fight time, having put it all on and drained it all off, Duran was certainly not at his best, nor his most motivated(he never would get up for a fight like he did their first) for the rematch. Not to mention, as I said, Leonard wasn't dominating, though he was winning, mainly by virtue of pot-shotting and clowning, which infuriated Duran, especially given his state at the time. he was in no condition to deal with any of it. There are also rumors of Duran feeling sick prior to the fight. Either way, if Leonard fought to the best of his style and decided to stick and move, he'd have beaten a peak Duran by Decision IMO, but that wasn't his normal style.

So now Hagler's overrated? Or just about anyone Duran beat to help your case out? Hagler was one of the top 2-3 MW's of all time. There are a few LW's with deeper resumes, but few as dominant or skilled as Duran was. Benny Leonard is the only one.

I like SRL, I'm just not an immature clown who throws all logic out the window. Get lost, you're not fooling anyone here.

 

Bernie4366. If you don't rate Hagler or Duran, who do you rate?

Just a quick comparison with another fighter, so we'll use Chavez. He never done anything past 140lbs of any significance whatsoever. I think Duran going 15 rounds with Hagler at middleweight and being very competitive would be like Chavez at 32 years old doing the same with McCallum at jr middleweight. Then at the age of 37 he beats Vasquez via split decision in the same division. Can you imagine that happening? I can only imagine it, but can't see it happening. Chavez was an ATG great fighter, but not right among the top tier elites like Duran.

If you don't rate Hagler or Duran then you have extremely high expectations indeed when it comes to skills and resume.

 

Hes clearly making a fool of himself. He's lucky JT, Stonehands89, Manassa, etc, aren't here to make him look foolish as well.

 

Duran at LWT was without doubt 1 of the best fighters ever p4p, I personally think he beats everyone at the weight with Whitaker & Chavez giving him his toughest fights. The 1 punch power in both hands enables him to edge both by decision IMO.

I think Robinson at 147 & Pep at 126 have a slight edge over Duran at 135 but there isnt enough in it to put up a real solid arguement, its just personal opinion.

 

I rate both of them, I just think they're OVERrated by the general boxing public. There are other icons that are just as overrated, most particularly Louis and Marciano. Hagler was a great MW, but I would take Monzon, Toney (if he's motivated) or Hopkins over him, maybe Burley and SRR and without a doubt or hesitation RJJ would destroy him. Hagler struggled with smaller guys moving up, REALLY struggled, and his draw with Vito was no robbery. What would happen to Hearns, SRL, Duran if they moved up to take on Hopkins? You know damn well what would happen, we saw it with both ODLH and Trinidad.

The fact that Chavez didn't have as much success moving up has nothing to do with their respective prowess in their proper weight class, and Chavez destroyed fighters that Duran would have struggled with. DESTROYED them, and I believe he would do just that to Duran.

Chavez, Whitaker, Pryor (if he has his 'mix' with him, not without it), Robinson, Armstrong, Mayweather and Arguello all whip Duran handily and I'd give ODLH and Mosley a strong shot at him as well. Even Duran's own trainer, Ray Arcel, thinks Benny Leonard was a better LW and he worked BOTH their corners.

 

First you take James Toney, a stationary fighter who couldn't convincingly beat McCallum and whom struggles with movers and outboxers, to beat Hagler, then you compare Oscar and Tito and Leonard, Hearns, and Duran. You HAVE to be a troll.

Duran DESTROYED fighters that Chavez would've struggled with or lost to outright, and Chavez struggled with the likes of Lockridge and LaPorte, was getting beaten by Taylor prior to the stoppage, and had to rely on bull**** whining to get the decision over Randall in the rematch. Duran was far more versatile and overall skills than Chavez, the proof is in the footage and in both fighter's records.

You're such an unknowledgable clown it's painful to read your nonsense.

Arcel said they were the two best of all time, the fact that he rates Leonard higher means little in the grand scheme of things, considering how great Leonard was. Your other points are sheer nonsense. You simply have no clue how to rate fighters, or about boxing in general.

Please leave and stop contaminating this forum with your utter nonsense, you're nothing but a pest.

 

If Duran isn´t an atg than PBF isn´t even a HoF. Period. There´s a difference like day and night between them. Go away, troll.

Yesterday i watched Mayweather-Corrales and Duran-Barkley. Two absolutly terrific fights and while i don´t think you can compare the Duran of the Barkley fight with the lw Duran, I can´t see Mayweather winning against Roberto. He would give him a tougher fight than many expect but he would lose. Over 12 a clear decision around 8-4 or 7-5 in rounds but would get stopped in the championship rounds over 15.

 

Sweet Pea, you are to be indicted for the savage murder of bernie4366!

Class!

 

Ive obviously joined this thread late, and there's a lot i'd like to say to you know who, but Sweet Pea has done my thoughts a credit without me having to even begin to post on Bernie's antics.