Robinson Opposition vs. Floyd?

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It's funny how many people took his words out of context and ran with them. There were like 15,000 page views on the original thread about this. As Floyd would say, "you fukkin dummies"

It's all about confidence and believing in yourself. It has nothing to do with who he thinks would win P4P against Ali and SRR. :roll:

 

Roger himself said SRR is the greatest boxer of all time. Even Joe louis is higher then Floyd.

 

Don't wanna rock the apple cart mate, but I believe it was 27, may be wrong on that though. Still an incredible figure.

What do you mean 'even Joe Louis'?

 

Robinson 129-1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Floyd's 40-0

 

Fair enough. Do you believe some of the guys Robinson fought at MW could have made 147 with 24-hour weigh-ins?

 

How's that for you, pal?:deal[/quote]


Well Robinson started his pro career in 1940

He went undefeated at WW his entire career

when he moved up to middleweight he lost to an ATG in Lamotta

10 of those thirteen losses came after +10 years in the games and over 150 fights

8 of thoes 10 were after 20 years of fighting

Mayweather does not even compare

 

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Ray Robinson was only undefeated for 40 fights, you MO-RON.

 

Has it ever occurred to anyone that its impossibe to directly compare the two. You can just take a modern fighter and place him in that time because there would be so many factors there. If floyd fought back then, whose to say he would use the same style? Or whose to say he wouldn't be a lot tougher. Same goes for robinson. If he fought today, he would not have that many fights for one and the rules have changed over time and growing up today, he might not be the same quality of fighter as he was then. Its just impossible to compare. However, I do think in terms of natural athleticism and skills that floyd is arguably the best of all time, but that's not what boxing is all about so that's irelevent.

 

How are you today Mr. 80 IQ ? You forgot to write in bold...:smooch

 

Turpin would kick the **** out of Floyd, too much power and size, Floyd struggled with De La Hoya at 154 atsch

and I'm 18 so it's not nostalgic, it's called being realistic :hi:

 

Well Robinson started his pro career in 1940

He went undefeated at WW his entire career

when he moved up to middleweight he lost to an ATG in Lamotta

10 of those thirteen losses came after +10 years in the games and over 150 fights

8 of thoes 10 were after 20 years of fighting

Mayweather does not even compare[/quote]

Skillwise Mayweather can do anything SRR did. Defense-wise I believe he is even better and ranks right up there with the Willie Pep, Locche[sp. ?], Benitez, and Whitaker. He doesn't have the punching power SRR carried way up to mw(though he did have similar power at 130) and his temperment as a fighter means he's less inclined to get into a war if it's unecessary.

Resume-wise SRR slaughters Floyd even with the losses. Robinson didn't first lose until he was 40-0 like Floyd is now and it was to a naturally bigger ATG. He fought all the top contenders and if he didn't beat them the first time around he dfeinitely did the second time. Charley Burley was the only man of his time he didn't and admitted would never face whereas at 140 and 147 in particular there is a list of deserving fighter who slipped through the cracks with Floyd. Not saying all the blame in on him for that if at all for certain matches but the truth is they never happened. Plus when you fight for 20 years, for as many times and against the level of competition SRR fought, you WILL suffer losses.

Times are different yes and fighters fight much less frequently than they did back then(IMHO they fought too much back then...a happy medium between fight frequency then and now would be ideal) But there is still no excuse for not facing the best when you're a fighter of Mayweather's calibre. Nowadays you don't have to wade through as many fights as back then to get to the cream of the division you're in. There is no reason Floyd could not have stepped things up more.

I'm happy he has taken a challenge against a man who has a live chance to defeat him. It should have happened years ago(or another matchup like Cotto, Margarito) The fighters that he never faced being defeated is NOT a forgone conclusion that Floyd would beat them. But at the worst it would at least be even odds for Floyd.

 

:deal Gavilan would be a nightmare for Floyd.