Rocky: A Face Forward Fighter?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I think it's supposed to mean that his face is in front of his hands, a very amateurish move.
    He is also often described as "leading with his face."
     
  2. reznick

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    You should look at the Klitschko fight highlights again.
    Check this out:
    https://streamable.com/76s0p

    I don't know if I can readily accept the argument that it's less detrimental for a tall guy than it is for a short pressure fighter to throw wider hooks. Perhaps so, but I would need more convincing. Either way, we're approaching hair splitting territory again, and I think that serves my point.

    Also, for the record, I don't think either Marciano's nor Fury's punches are too wide.
    I think they are wider than many others, but its intentional, and I think the intention has merit.
    I am simply referencing him to illustrate a possible double standard against Rocky.
    Not from you personally, but from prominent elements of boxiana, so to speak.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I disagree with these assessments and assumptions completely. I think this goes to the heart of why you and I evaluate so many fighters so differently. The fact that a fighter has led an extremely successful career doesn't indicate the absence of technical flaws or weaknesses that could be exposed and exploited by certain opponents.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The logic is very straightforward. Against a common opponent, a man the size of Marciano would be putting himself in much greater risk of being beaten to the punch while exposed than someone like Fury by throwing wide punches. In delivering a wide punch, Marciano's head would be more vulnerable than Fury's, again all other things being equal.

    Do you believe that Galento's punches are too wide?
     
  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Rocky didn't hold his gloves up against his face because his arms were too short to
    keep them up AND throw a punch. Surely he realized this physical fact. That's not being
    "face first", that's realizing your deficiencies and working around them.

    He ate jabs because his plan was to KTFO his opponent, not dance around like a pure boxer.
     
  6. mcvey

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    No ,what I am doing is illustrating that your idealized portrait of Marciano is ridiculous.I am doing this by giving verified quotes from the following.
    Joe Louis
    Manny Seamon Louis's Trainer
    John Roxborough Louis's Manager
    Rocky Marciano Himself.
    The Detroit News Fight Reporter

    If these quotes had said Marciano had looked great you would have accepted them unreservedly and with alacrity , however since they do not fit into your fairy tale narrative they are according to you irrelevant. I could respond by calling you names and referring to your obvious immaturity and your name calling, [which I predicted by the way],but I won't. I don't need to .
     
  7. reznick

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    When you can hit like Rocky, and you have his strength, it’s often worth getting hit first to land your own punch. Golovkin Degale is a good example of his. Many of Tyson’s best punches were his wider punches.

    Punching wide as a really tall person makes it easier to get inside the range. They’ve effectively given up their sniper rifle, and lost their balance, making them far more vulnerable. At any rate, this again is going into more abstract territory.

    I think Galento punched wide, but not too wide.
    What about Monzon and Wilder?
     
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  8. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    You started name calling and insulting me first you stupid idiot. Stop crying like a fat oaf just because I’m returning the favor. You have some serious sociological issues. Or you’re a spoiled sheltered fart who thinks he deserves to insult people and not be insulted in return.

    I don’t care either way. Your relevance is waning.

    Anyone can produce similar quotes about AJ pertaining to his Klitschko win. You’re not contributing much besides the clogging of this thread with your stupidity.
     
  9. mcvey

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    For the record,I do not think Marciano was a face forward fighter, neither was he anything like the chimera you have concocted and named Marciano.

    This tactic of making a gross exaggeration and then defending against it is a common trait of yours which you employ frequently. It's obvious ,repetitive ,and ultimately puerile.

    I didn't call you names, I said the way you obsess about Marciano gives the appearance of some homo erotic fantasy and I believe it does.

    I'm not crying, I'm sitting here drinking a cup of tea whilst my partner catches up with today's soaps.
    You have no effect on me at all but its becoming increasingly obvious that the reverse is not the case.
    For your own emotional wellbeing and mental health I suggest you place me on ignore.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Literally nobody cares.

    We're here to talk boxing.
    Not your favorite kind of tea, and how often your wife changes your diapers.
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You are not here to talk boxing, you are here to propound your personal off the wall theories and then rapidly get enraged when you fail to convince others of their veracity. You cannot refute the quotes I posted so you fly into a tantrum. It's a recurring pattern one we see all the time and one I might add I predicted once again.

    I'm 69 in exactly a weeks time so according to your childish mind I must be
    1.Senile 2.Incontinent. Why would that be the case ? Is your Father?

    I shall be in Venice for my birthday so you can have a reprieve for a few days,the other option is ,as I suggested,put me on ignore.
     
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  12. reznick

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    How is calling out your rude diaper wearing ass being enraged?
    You're the one who developed girly feelings after I posted a clip, and acted like a ho by introducing personal insults.

    No, I'm sorry, it's just you.
    My father is a brilliant man who doesn't spend time arguing with 20 year olds about sports.
    He was also best friends with your favorite fighter for the better portion of two decades. (ouch)

    Enjoy Venice.
    Perhaps write a message to yourself on the palm of your hand; "No cars is normal."
    So that way you don't freak out every 5 minutes.
     
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  13. Seamus

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    Generally, he was great, a force of nature who understood his strengths and how to get them to market. He had moments of incredibly awkward lapses. And when his style failed, and his shortcomings were revealed, it looked bad, real bad. But he was never made to pay for it, which says something of his chin, something of his luck and yes, something of his opponents.

    Beterbiev and Gassiev, if they learn to stay in their lane, can also excel to a high degree. Part of being a successful elite fighter is realizing what you are not.
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Are there any instances of his incredibly awkward lapses that stick out in your head?
    I can't imagine he degraded much after the Louis fight.

    Yeah but that's not really my point.
    My point is that Rocky outperforms these guys in areas that he gets criticized for, and they don't.

    Again, search "Murat Gassiev Slow" on Google. There is a result or two describing him as a slow starter, but zero for being a slow fighter.
    Now watch his footage against Rockys, someone often getting criticized for his speed, and tell me you don't see something wrong with that picture...
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    By the way, does anybody see Rocky willfully eating jabs in the clip I posted, or throughout the entire fight at all?
    In the clip I posted, he slips every single jab thrown at him, minus maybe one. He doesn't always beat Louis to the slip, but he see every punch coming, and tries to avoid each one with sharp head and body movement.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this was Louis' least accurate performance of his career.
    I get that Rocky said he had to take Louis' jabs. But I think he was using colorful language that fit a certain context.
    Not the literal interpretations being used to size him up as a boxer.
     
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