Rocky: A Face Forward Fighter?

I'm glad your Father is hale and hearty. I was in Venice last March for my partners birthday March the 8th,an important date in the boxing calendar! So I'm familiar with the layout.

 

I've been passionate about boxing for over half a century. I've practised it, watched it, patronised it by going to watch it from ringside collected it in super88mmfilm ,video ,and now dvd form , read about it and written about it.

I never belittle anyone's passion but obsessive behaviour is unhealthy and you exhibit it's signs with your constant need to hoist Marciano onto a pedestal he would never have claimed for himself.
What have you produced that is either tangible or valuable? What have you contributed to boxing other than posting a few clips of it? And doing so only so you can promote your own theories which most here seem to beat odds with.
On this thread you have called me
An idiot
A Fat Oaf
Spoiled
A Sheltered Fart
Senile
Incontinent
An Old Fart
A Dumb *******
I've referred to you as childish and immature, and the epiphets you have employed on a thread in which I haven't even directly disagreed with you prove you to be so.

Now you are admonishing me for rudeness?
Do you not see the absurdity of your position?

 

In the clip YOU posted, Rocky gets nailed by 6 jabs.

The announcer even says "Joe Louis, known for his stalking and pouncing, seems like he will outbox the cruder, flat footed Marciano".

He again calls Marciano "flat footed and an unorthodox swarmer".

Do you people even hear the clips before you post them? This is an announcer from your so called golden era calling Rocky a flat footed, aggressive, unorthodox wild swarmer. Which is exactly what any objective observer with an ounce of understanding of boxing would call him. Its not an insult, its a fact.

This is what nat fleischer said about rocky:

"Marciano was "crude, wild swinging, awkward, and missed heavily. In his bout with light heavyweight champion Archie Moore, for example, he missed almost two-thirds of the fifty odd punches he tossed when he had Archie against the ropes, a perfect target for the kill." However, in fairness to Marciano, he was a stubby armed swarming style fighter, not a boxing master. He certainly wasn’t in there to outbox anyone. He had to get inside and let his hands go, and that is what he did. He got the results that were required of him as his high knockout percentage attests to."

So doesnt that sound like a "face forward" fighter???

He was a great champion but enough with the romantic revisionism. He wasnt some "complete package" boxing wizard who could slug, swarm, outbox, counter, and move with "underrated defense". His offense WAS his defense, that was the whole point of his freaking style BECAUSE of how short and crude he was. Make himself a small target, try to slip, bob and weave, charge inside, then let his hands go. Thats rocky in a nutshell and swarming 101. Why do you think people drew comparisons between frazier and marciano when the former rose in the rankings? Maybe its because they were both come forward aggressive swarmers?!? Crazy thought.

People will inevitably call me a hater tho, even tho there are dozens of images of rocky on google with stitches, bruises, cuts, black eyes and the infamous split nose. Heres a hint: you dont get injuries like that unless your face is wide open...!

https://www.rockymarciano.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/rocky-marciano-1951.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-94bTViZDYEw/UDVkG7UkxGI/AAAAAAAAEpI/BuKMd46eZbo/s1600/Rock.jpg

 

Great post.

 

Yes 6 jabs in 2 minutes matter because

A) the question is wether or not rocky lacked defense and was "face forward"

B) joe louis was nearly 40 and washed up

So yes thats pretty bad. Joe Frazier had mediocre defense and even he didnt get nailed by 6 jabs in a row against Ali in their first fight.

Context matters.

Ezzard charles was a blown up, washed up light heavyweight with ALS and still managed to disfigure rockys nose. It would have been a stoppage by todays standards.

 

Ali, foreman, frazier, norton, wladmir, lewis, tyson, dempsey, none of them got black eyes and stitches after fighting a 40 year old has been. Rocky did. Does that say something about rockys defense?

 

Joe Louis was actually 37.

Lewis arguably lost to a 35 year old Ray Mercer.
Lewis arguably lost to a 37 year old Holyfield. He suffered facial damage in both fights.

W. Klitschko was knocked out by 37 year old Corrie Sanders in a huge upset.

Tyson was knocked out by a 35 year old Holyfield in one of the hugest upsets of all time.

Foreman was upset and knocked out by an Ali who was 7 years his senior.

Norton was dominated and knocked out by a 188 pound nobody, why is he even being discussed here? Frazier and Dempsey didn't fight too many older opponents I can think of off the top of my head but were both upset of their titles.

Maricano getting a black eye against Louis is a moot point to focus on. The Rock scored a pretty dominating knock out win against a former Champion/now #1 contender some 30 plus pounds heavier who was favored to win.

It's a serious abuse of logic to somehow twist something as superficial as a "black eye" into some sort of damning criticism, especially in contrast to the fighters you brought up, who actually were upset or nearly upset by older fighters.

 

I've done something for you I've invited you to take a look at your own behaviour. What have I done for the forum other than make 75,500 odd posts and received almost 3000 likes ,nothing at all .
Then again I haven't made any pretence of being a boxing benefactor prompted by altruism.Don't worry about the insults I don't, I just find it incredibly hypocritical of you to call me rude when you are mouthing off as fast as you can think of your next abusive line.

 

Lewis arguably lost to Holyfield, yeah sure he did!
Marciano was cut above and below both eyes against Louis, this would indicate that his defence was less than stellar.

 

You are incapable of controlling your emotions.maybe you will be a late developer? You sure aren't an early one!