Rocky Marciano v Sam Peter

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Dec 6, 2016.


  1. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    7,694
    4,245
    Oct 30, 2016
    Valuev has decent k.os but he was VERY slow and not many engaged him , he was boxing since 1993 as well so being a giant aging was not on his side .Not k.oing Haye/ Holyfield and Ruiz brought that % down as well.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,730
    29,078
    Jun 2, 2006
    That was the bet where you provided a "source "written by some one who didn't use their name LOL. You've been exposed as what you are,a self- regarding nobody ,with a superiority complex,a legend in his own kitchen lol, a muppet who runs away when confronted with irrefutable [that's how you spell it ,] facts and primary sources.
    A keyboard coward, with cover blown, and credibility destroyed.
    All the bluster and bravado that you spout won't change the fact you got owned and ran away from the thread like the eunuch you are. W*nker Of The Month Gaviscon!LOL See you soon silly b*llocks!
     
    reznick likes this.
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,636
    Mar 17, 2010
    Top 5 punchers of all time:

    1. George Mitu
    2. John Rankin
    3. Jim Cully
    4. Edward Potgieter
    5. Chris Chancellor
     
    mcvey likes this.
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,813
    Sep 15, 2009
    Peter is 6'2 right? And was 250 pounds at his fittest recorded fighting weight.

    For one he wouldn't dwarf Rocky, there's only a couple of inches different and both fight small so he wouldn't look significantly taller especially as both are moving around the ring.

    Rocky was ripped at 190, Peter is fat at 250. Obviously that 60 pounds on its own cannot be an argument otherwise we'd just advise Rocky to go eat some junk food during training camp.

    We know Peter fades late and doesn't have that much heart.

    We know that the two will probably be able to fight in a phone booth, but for me that surely favours Rocky. Let's say he decides to bulk a bit to add strength and comes in at 210. He'll still be the quicker man with shorter arms so up close will be getting his punches off first. How many flush punches will Sam want to take?

    I say Rocky wins every exchange up close and after the early rounds Sam goes on his bike trying to catch Rocky with those scorpion tail right hands. Rocky will see them a mile off and slip them using his momentum to get inside.

    The more I envision this fight the harder I find it to make a reasonable argument for Peter to win.
     
  5. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,512
    3,109
    Feb 17, 2008
    That and seeing the effect on Peter of taking hard shots on his shoulders. Biceps. Liver. Rocky didn't do the flash style that is so much admired in recent times. A guy that actually wants to land hard punches on the inside of a shoulder is currently considered a missed punch.Not a tactic. That stuff has a big accumulation effect and I sure don't see a guy like Sam Peter handling all those kinds of subtractions to physically endure for 3 minutes a round.
     
  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    7,694
    4,245
    Oct 30, 2016
    Peter had Marciano by 5 inches and nearly 10 inches in reach with aout 80 pounds on him . He wouldn't dwarf Marciano ? Weight is weight and in Marciano case he was only 5'9 ,do you really think he wiill benefit being 210 in that frame when he wasnt very fast handed to begin with ? Do you think Marciano is close to 90's Foreman size,considering you think not much differences to that of Peters dimensions ?

    Peter is not the out of shape FAT guy you make him out to be hes solidly put together when at around 240/250 ,even at 260 Marciano is up against odds he has to overcome the main one not getting knocked out early because any one who stands DIRECTLY in front of Peter who is not slick at avoiding punches may do just that . Isee no fight that Marciano has fought to tell me he wins this one , Peter knocking down Wlad at least one clean knock down shows me more than Marciano k.oing Louis .
     
    ascended likes this.
  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    peter gets stopped inside 1 round if against prime Marciano.

    older Marciano waits till 5 when peter is gassed, then kos him.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,578
    Jan 30, 2014
    lol
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,813
    Sep 15, 2009
    He didn't dwarf Toney and that certainly didn't become a mismatch whenever they were up close.

    In fact Toney outpunched Peter inside throughout the first fight.

    If you think Rocky has a better chance of winning at 190 fine. I personally think Peter has a better chance at 220 but he doesn't have the discipline to get that low in weight.
     
  10. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

    519
    103
    Jun 4, 2016
    High 230s actually, not 250.

    I don't think you can call a man with such a defined adonis belt fat.
    [url]https://beatsboxingmayhem.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/peter.jpg[/url]

    Rocky at 210 never existed.
     
    ascended likes this.
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,813
    Sep 15, 2009
    He wasn't 230 for Wlad though.

    Of course he didn't exist at 210 :lol:

    Michael Tommy Hearns at 175 never existed but obviously when he went for the LHW title he decided to add weight. Why would you expect Rocky to give away 60 pounds so willingly?
     
  12. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

    519
    103
    Jun 4, 2016
    Peter has never been 220 in a pro fight, he wasn't fat against Wlad evidenced by a very defined adonis belt.

    You like mentioning the first Toney fight but a fitter Peter dominated Toney.
    Anyway, he was clearly a lot fitter in some other fights.
     
  13. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

    519
    103
    Jun 4, 2016
    How do you just assume Rocky goes up 25 pounds and remains as, if not becomes even more effective at that weight?

    Historically big weight jumpers have been lanky guys with long limbs and broad shoulders who could carry the extra pounds.

    Marciano was a narrow shouldered stocky guy.

    On what do you make such an assumption that he can just gain pounds and pounds and be as effective?
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,813
    Sep 15, 2009
    No one can tell me Peter dwarfs Toney. Despite the height and reach discrepancy the two look the same weight class.

    [url]https://beatsboxingmayhem.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/jamestoney.jpg[/url]
     
  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,813
    Sep 15, 2009
    I don't think he'd be as effective. I've said that numerous times already.

    I just think he'd be good enough to beat up Sam Peter.