Rocky Marciano vs. Sonny Liston

If you assert Williams was not a big puncher ,when every boxing expert rates him as such, I'll just let it go.
I don't want to waste any more time on you .

 

I asked one question who did Big Cat KO that qualifies him as a monstrous puncher

 

And who in the hell did Quin or Ross ever fight, let alone beat? Marshall KO'd Satterfield and hung tough with Besmanoff, Johnson and Amos Lincoln. We are talking different realms of the sport here. Please do not compare.

This just plain desperate... I would call it supposition but I can't find a reasonable narrative being put forth here just jiberish.

I've met Ali a couple times. He is a very large man, large of frame and limb. Even at 200 he was big, bigger than Louis, bigger than Baer, bigger than Dempsey... three of the biggest power hitters the division ever saw. Trying to purport that Ali was "small" is ridiculous.

 

Just read a BI interview with Floyd in which he confirmed he overruled D,Amato to take the Liston fights.

 

I have little doubt Williams could bang, it is what he was known for and seemd to be his best asset.

However, there is reason to doubt he was the best finisher or had great one punch KO power.

-He was said to have stunned Terrell a few times in the rematch but failed to get him out there.

-He hurt Machen a few times but failed to drop or finish him.

-He hurt Terrell as early as the 3rd, dropped him in the 6th, but the ref had to wave it off in the 7th with Terrell on his feet.

- Young Jack Johnson was stopped on his feet.

-In his biggest win at this point against Miteff, he floored him in the 3rd and 4th, but Miteff was finally stopped on his feet in the 5th.

-He hurt Liston in the first fight early but couldn't capitilize.

 

When two bangers meet all things being equal the one with the best chin usually wins

 

I have to revisit this one to see the particulars.

 

Liston beats the overrated Rocky

 

deep down do you think Floyd was as "up" for Liston as he was ingo? Is that what came out of the new bio?

I know floyd wanted those fights made because Floyd was such an honerable man, he spoke so well of Liston, defending Sonnys bad press etc, I have read all the books too, I know this as well as you do. Am I not allowed to say that in my opinion Floyd did not look himself in those fights? Deep down, when it came to it I don't think Floyd relished the prospect. Floyd being psyched out or frozen both times is a popular view among fight people. Angelo Dundee for one thought so.

Liston always had a picnic against Floyd. Too much of a picnic. Floyd was better than Liston allowed him to look, WKO 1 is a great win on paper but too often at top level blunder on the part of the loser is often as responsible as the prowess of the winner. Marciano -Walcott 2nd fight, Tyson -spinks, Dokes-weaver, Smith-Witherspoon. Etc etc.

Liston utterly destroyed Patterson both times. I just think they should go down as all the other one round blow outs did. The loser wasn't much cop on the night.

It's funny how it is always the same People who dismiss machen as being "caught cold" against ingo as the ones who say Patterson was not psyched out against Liston. The same people often hint at both clay-Liston fights being thrown. Funny how all these opinions the machen being cold, Floyd not being psyched out, clay fights not being on the level all favour Liston. Hmmm, funny that?

 

unless it is Liston vs Marciano?

 

When one guy has 25 pounds on the other "all things" aren't being "equal."

 

Ha Ha the all mighty Agenda

 

Another myth killed by video.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXo7Ryg3lpQ[/url]

-Liston certainly doesn't walk through Williams' power shots. Actually Liston shows some underrated defense, he guards Big Cat's left hook well with a high right hand , shows solid head movement, and doesn't get got clean with any of the big wind ups.

Williams does land some good body shots, its actually a hook to the body that backs Liston up in the first round. Williams also lands some jabs, which is what appears to cause the nose bleed.

-Good action in the second, Williams digs to Liston's body as he tries to bull rush in behind a high guard. Liston sucks it up and finally finds the range on his jab while figuring out how to avoid Williams' jab. Williams gets busted up on the outside and when he tries to lay on Liston and rest, he gets busted up too.

-Williams lays on the inside in the third, he tries some left hooks but Liston blocks it all easily and comes back with his own shots. Williams has no defense, and literally gets tagged with everything Liston throws. He ends up discouraged and just eats punishment in a state of confusion before getting knocked out.

-Doesn't prove Liston is an iron chinned warrior with the heart of a lion but it shows he had the skills to deal with a big predictable lug. Liston would probably have his way with someone like Ruddock. Is Liston vulnerable to the body on the inside? Perhaps.

 

I totaly agree, Muhammad is a huge guy, I never said he was small. He is as big as anyone needs to be. I was using it as an example for dismissing great fighters as cruiserweight. It's funny how the "cruiser card" only gets played for certain fighters when a guy as big as Muhammad can be brought into it. Modern training and PEDs have a lot to answer for...don't get me started on the superheavyweight myth.. size is not the be all and end all. In some match ups. Heavyweight is Heavyweight.

 

Ain't that the truth! :good