Rocky marciano vs the future champions

I know it's pure speculative guess work.

My point still remains that both of these men have fought at 190 pounds, so if we are gonna allow Holyfield to add 24 pounds of muscle we should allow Rocky the same option.

 

If you say so, dude.

 

My quote...

"Of the three times I know off the top of my head that Rocky came in over 190",

Are you so lacking in intelligence you can't comprehended something as simple as that? I specified three times, yet you respond with an accusation claiming I said "usually"

Please address my actual statements or you will end up on the ignore list with Mcvey.

I'm fine with disagreements and arguments but it better be about something I actually said, otherwise there is absolutely no point. Do it again, and I'll ignore you for good like poor Mcvey.

 

Helps when you have the skill, caginess, and defensive talent of a James Toney...

 

How many of those champions of the past were mobile, athletic 6'3, 210-lb men with 82-inch reaches?

And even with his performance against Fury, Cunningham still would be a huge underdog in fights against any of the top big heavies of the modern era or even against Fury in a rematch.

 

Put Klitchko back in the Rockys day , how about that. Fury claimed he wasn't a real HW and needs to eat and pump himself up to get big.
Back in the 1950's he probably be walking about at 210 pound. The Rock comes up around 195 and puts a shellacking on him. KO with 4 rounds.

 

To imagine Marciano in the future is not as difficult as imagining the future champions depleted of all modern enhancement. You take that from them and what do you have? Are they as great for as long as they were? Are they even great in the first place?

Fighters like the Klitchkos might not have been viable at all since it took until the steroid era for that type of fighter to become relevant. And it has nothing to do with numbers or people getting bigger all by themselves. American people towered above the rest of the world for decades yet it took until the steroid era for giants to finally take over. They had been around all along!

Marciano with all the benefits they had could be as different and more viable an entity than he was in his own time as the modern giants are in the present time.

 

How about you don't take it away. These men are what they are. They are all great fighters without question.

 

Hold on there. I'm not talking about Rocky right now, I'm asking about your size argument.

Why was a 210lb HW able to knock Fury down with a punch, when you tell everyone that bigger SHWs are much stronger and punch harder?

We can bring Rocky into it after but I'd like to hear you guys address this.

 

I didn't bring Rocky into anything. Did you reply to the wrong comment?

 

To add to what's already been written though, Fury plainly didn't respect Cunningham and his power at all. Because of this disregard and his overall lack of maturity, he fought a very sloppy, reckless, silly fight early on (even in the first round, which he won). Cunningham was able to use his considerable height, long reach, and speed to catch Fury with a well-placed right. Great moment, great performance for Cunningham but in the end he simply couldn't deal with Fury's size and strength, which is why he was only able to survive for a little over half of the fight.

 

Any fighter is in a difficult situation if you insist they give up so much weight.

If Golovkin moves up to LHW but continues to weigh 160 his chances of victory greatly reduce.

If Holyfield would have stayed at 190 he probably wouldn't have achieved greatness in the HW division.

Without Wlad's extra weight he never could have perfected his jab and grab gameplan.

If Pacquiao was still a FW he wouldn't have become a great WW.

A fighter fighting bigger men without increasing his own bulk is just not a good idea imo. Especially when people are using the size advantage as a primary argument for him losing.

"Rocky is too small to compete, but we aren't gonna let him attempt to rectify the issue"

 

All time power helps too.

So basically you think that Fury was over confident because he underestimated the power of a 210lb fighter?

 

I love how the "SHWs are unstoppable" guys have an asterisk for every single fight when the smaller man won or posed a serious threat.

Every single fight!

 

Yes but how they arrive at being what they are is very important. It is not possible for illegally enhanced fighters to be what they were unless they live in a time where they can develop into what they became.