ron lyle vs jack dempsey....

I'm going with Lyle here.

If Firpo can essentially KO Dempsey, which he did. Lyle would definitely finish the job.

Dempsey's rep is primarily the stuff of Paul Bunyan legends. However, when his career is examined with the modern eye, it's not all that great. Important fighter for the sport, definitely. Great heavyweight? That's a bit of a stretch.

 

Many DEmpsey proponents think otherwise. It is a verry impresive display of compact punching.

I would assume that Dempsey worst performence in a title fight was the Brennan fight.

 

Both were sloppy yes although maybe Lyle less so than Foreman. Much like Dempsey and Firpo were very sloppy. Lyle is limited, but strong as an ox, fast hands, biggish power and a very good chin, he also has a jab at least. The Shavers fight he took a hell of a beating and came back to win a KO

He also has wins over contenders like Ellis (well champ), Shavers, Bonavena, Matthis, Peralta, Garcia, Middleton and Blin was an ex Euro champ. Not a bad list of scalps, then he came from an inch of besting Foreman, not too bad

Now I think Dempsey is probably too quick and nimble for Lyle and can punch at different ranges better so I'd pick him but it would probably be his best HW win

 

Maybe they weren't when he fought them but he stopped numerous contenders and fringe contender types

 

It is inherent to Dempseys style that he works to narrow safety margins to get the job done.

You might be making too much of the fact that he got clocked in an otherwise dominant performence.

Being down on the cards against Brennan a dozen rounds in, is for my mind more damaging.

 

I think that a punchers chance goes further against Dempsey than against Louis.

Like Firpo, Lyle could get lucky, but he probably won't, and if he does he will likley loose anyway.

 

Dempsey TKO 6

 

Brennan landed some good punches too that had Dempsey buzzed, if he was more of a puncher he may have had Dempsey down or even out

 

well, Shavers lost all his wars against guys that could take a decent shot and hit as well, Ron Stander KO Shavers in 5, Quarry KO Shavers in 1, Lyle KO 5, Mercado KO8, Cobb KO 8, He did beat Norton but Norton was KO'd by every puncher that was not finished...Now Lyle vs Foreman was really the 1st decent puncher that Foreman shared a ring with, gallant effort by Lyle,in fact there would have been no argument had the fight been stopped at some point in Lyle's favor but the younger version of Foreman may have lost to or given hell by solid chin Heavy's that could punch (Quarry Type) or stylists ( Ellis,Charles,Walcott,....Lyle was a solid guy but a good look at his record would show his power was not elite.

 

Not that impressed by Joe Frazier Bummy?