Rosenbloom's SD over Walker - your take?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I know nothing about this fight aside from what's on Boxrec.

    NY Times scored 9-4-2 for Walker

    The referee who had to "repeatedly warn" Maxie, had it for Walker


    But the judges had it 11-3-1 and 9-6 for Rosenbloom

    So big disparity between the judges cards and the NY Times card.

    What you got?
     
  2. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's been years since I read Micky's account of it, but he credited Rosenbloom as being a good fighter. He expressed tremendous indignation over only getting a draw against Sharkey, but I don't recall that he was perturbed much by the scoring in his challenge of Rosenbloom.
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Walker was probably just glad that the fight was over. It was probably no fun at all fight Maxie Rosenbloom. He could make anybody look bad..probably even Joe Louis..or so rumor had it.
     
  4. janitor

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    Rosenbloom was probably glad that it was over too.
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    AP stated that the ref voted for Walker but he had not one companion opinion among the experts or spectators.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Thanks matt.

    What do you make of the NY Times card?
     
  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember as a kid listening to Sam Taub's radio program..Sam Taub interviewed Maxie Rosenbloom..Taub asked Maxie this question,'who is the best fighter you ever fought'? Rosenbloom responded quickly "Harry Greb".
    First time I heard the name Greb...Just about all of Harry Greb's opponents,agreed with Rosenbloom's opoinion...
     
  8. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McGrain,10-4-1 was the Henry Mclemore , United Press reporter's score.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Thanks matt.
     
  10. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    According to Rosemblooms managers' son it was a fix. His name was Al Backman B.T.W.
     
  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Intersting stuff. As I said before there were lots of problems with scoring and gambling in boxing in the 1930's. When Sharkey lost via DQ to Schmeling, something like 7 other major fights also were DQ's on fouls.

    Boxing put in a rule in the 1930's after this happened that said a title fight ( which is where the gambling was concentrated ) could not be won or lost on a foul.

    Since this fight is not on film, its anyone's guess who won. I think you would need to read multiple news reads.
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rosenbloom reportedly had a very ugly style which often made fights hard to score and hotly disputed. I believe he was in a number of close, controversial decisions in his career going both ways. Very much similar to Ken Overlin, who I discussed in another thread.
     
  13. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There seems to have been a great deal of controversy over whether Rosembloom's open gloved punches were legal. There was also controversy about Tiger Flowers on this point. The referee apparently felt Walker won because he landed more "legal" punches. Here are excerpts from Jame P Dawson of the New York Times on this fight.

    New York Times 11-4-1933:

    "On Referee Forbes' card, Rosembloom was credited with only four rounds, while Walker got nine, two being declared even. This compilation was accompanied by the announcement that Forbes voted for Walker on cleaner boxing and most effective hitting.
    Forbes said after the battle that he warned Rosenbloom repeatedly for holding, hitting on the break, and striking with the open glove."

    "This writer's score sheet showed Rosenbloom the winner by fourteen rounds to one."

    "Rosenbloom had been warned by the commission that he must discard his open glove style of slapping, cuffing, and mauling, and he did, to the best of his ability. Seldom did he flip and flick with the open glove."




    *my take--the controversies around so many decisions in Flowers and Rosenbloom fights appear to have their basis in whether this "open-gloved cuffing" was in fact legal punching. Those who didn't think so didn't count those punches, apparently.
     
  14. red cobra

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    Kinda hard to really make a substantive assessment..really nothing profound..nothing you can really grab a hold of on Rosenbloom, since footage of him is missing. I find that really strange too based on all the many fights he had..I mean what was it..something in his contract that said "it shall be forbidden to film any of Maxie Rosenbloom's fights"..or was it that his fights were so boring and ugly that nobody wanted to? I want to say that he was a bit of a 20's and 30's kind of Jimmy Young or something. He must have been damned good..but it's frustrating that the only thing you can find of Slapsie Maxie on film is one of the many comedy films he played in during the 30's and 40's.