Roy Jones agrees w Hop about Kessler

I think what RJ is looking at is what most people look at post-Calzaghe vs Kessler.

Spoilers have a cheap way of making you look bad. Kessler up to that point showed nothing but A level quality. Sure he is a stand up Euro fighter but he was also much sharper than 99% of those Euro fighters. And that makes him A class.

The problem here is that age old "you are only as good as your last fight" condition. Calzaghe did alot of little cheesy things like working minimal and then closing the gap before Kessler could work. He got away with a lot of that lunging and grabbing and I think that is what made Kessler look bad. Mainly because Kessler's work all happens at that midrange. The area where you try and punch, and he counters off of that. With a guy who punches and then jumps in to grab, his advantages are nullified.

Lots of guys look **** against the jab and grab. You'd be surprised looking at the names throughout history. One noteworthy one of course would be Evander Holyfield against John Ruiz. Nobody would say Holy wasn't an elite A class boxer. He of course was. But Ruiz had that dirty little **** he'd pull where he'd throw one punch and grab. This minimalized every advantage the far superior Holy might have had.

So while they are right that Kessler is upright too much, they are wrong about his overall potential. Hopkins of all people should know how dirty tactics can bring a superior opponent down to your level.

 

His footwork is good, I can only presume you don't know what the hell you are looking at

As for comparing him to Miranda, what the hell has that clown ever done? The best thing about him is his big mouth. He hasn't won a damn belt, Kessler has unified. Miranda got KTFO by one of his best opponents, and outpointed by a guy with a BROKEN JAW. Kessler remained competetive against a better opponent than either. Kessler previously dropped about 5 rounds in his career. Miranda dropped rounds to Henry ****ing Porras before getting a knockout

I don't know if you are ignorant, stupid or both

 

I love European fighters but they love to annoint "greatness" to their fighters like Hamed, Fatton(most overrated boxer today) ..Ask MAB and Collazo about that..At least those two fought here

 

I havn't once said he is an elite Sir Isaac

I've said he has the potential, given his skillset

 

Yes, Beyer was a joke but the point is that there's really no big names around 168 for Kessler to fight. He would have to move up to LHW like Joe has done, but doesn't seem to keen on that as of yet.

Winky is terrible at 168-175, just slow, plodding, no power, and his turtle defence doesn't even work right.

Miranda was a good (though unspectacular) name but team kessler seems to have messed that one up.

 

Yes, I've said Kessler lost a competetive bout to an elite, the elite being Joe Calzaghe

That in itself does not make Kessler an elite, it is merely an indictation of his talent

Unless you are questioning my rating of Joe Calzaghe as an elite? In which case we can just wait until tomorrow... atsch

 

**** you talking about??..Kessler has zero lateral movement..provides no angles..he has the fluidity of a robot. All I see is a guy who throws straight punches, good combos and decent power..good jab.. thats B level..thats good!

but no way he can put pressure on Miranda like Kelly did...that why Miranda has that punchers chance..
Kessler said no to the fight didnt he?

 

His footwork is subtle. He isn't moving all over the shop like a Roy Jones, or even a Calzaghe, but given his style he does have precise footwork that gets him in position to firstly dominate with the jab and secondly follow up with right hands, his main strengths. He plays to his strengths, he doesn't need to be firing off from every conceivable angle. A classic example of his footwork is the Andrade fight

As for Miranda, I've no idea, I didn't really keep track of those negotiations, and the little I did see were press releases from either camp which could be taken with a pinch of salt

 

I dont follow this A grade B grade rating.....do we have C and D grade?

1000 fighters in SMW what is the breakdown?

1 A grade fighter and 999 B grade fighters? :huh

How is Kess not an A grade fighter in SMW?

Or is it more like this;
10 A grade
25 B grade
50 C grade
The rest D grade

Who invented this A grade B grade thing anyway?

 

agreed:good

 

Well, Kessler might be B-lvl, but he would soundly beat those two faded fighters in Hopkins and RJJ, so on what lvl are they now? C+? Or else they would have to revaluate their assessment on Kessler.