Roy Jones is underrated

Well Roy had a decent (compared to some other modern greats) resume,great accomplishments,longevity (p4p no 1 for nigh on a decade) and dominated like few fighters ever have so I'm curious as to why you don't rank him so highly?

Sorry if you think I'm nit picking you but I'm very interested in your rationale when ranking Jones where you do.

 

False, Maske and Hill werent number 1 and 2 when they fought. Jones beat McCallum to become WBC Champ on 22nd November, thus making him top2, Maske was a Euro bum who did nothing in his career thus wasnt top2, theres a good case McCallum rates higher than Maske at the time.

DM didnt keep the IBF/WBA because he didnt want to make mandatory defenses of real titles, if he dumped his WBOgus title he could have kept both belts, but he wanted to make easy home town WBOgus defenses with corrupt officials instead of fighting real world title bouts

Rochiagani wasnt a rightful WBC champ, Jones never lost the WBC title and Rochiagani was a temporary paper titlist

 

Louis beat plenty of champs, real champs not beltholders, and a few atgs. Schmeling, Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock, Conn, Farr, Lewis, Walcott, Bivins. :good

I wouldn't favour Chavez over any great at 147 but he had some very good wins at the range 130-140 like Lockridge, Rosario, Mayweather, Taylor, Camacho. So he proved himself a bit.

 

Get over it. Your boy won just titles others ge stripped of.

The American judges thought otherwise :good

 

I rae him top15 at lhw and that mostly based on his longevity and dominance. He never was THE champ. His resume lacks the most important names that's why he isn't where he could have been. If he would have fought and beat DM, which I'm pretty sure he would have, I would have him inside the Top10 I think.

 

Jones barely lost a round from 1989-2003, despite facing ATGs, 2 of the best MWs in history, cleaning out most the 175lb contenders (look at the Ring Rankings), becoming a 4weight champion (3 old weight classes), fighting 21 fights against world champions (past/future/present), 28 world title fights.

You'll struggle to find anyone else who dominated in such a way, arguably no one has. Did he fight all the best of his era? No, but neither did Armstrong or Robinson who didnt face the best Welterweights of their own era.

Jones is top10 P4P ATG

 

I don't think so. If you make them lower the term "atg" loses it's credibility - don't get me wrong, Jones is one but not based on his resume but on his weight-jumping accomplishments, dominance and longevity.

 

You just got owned your girlfriend Dariusz was a WBOgus fraud who avoided Jones, Nunn and Tarver :deal Plus he quit like a ***** against Rochiagani in 1 of his many gifts. Plus he got his ass handed to him by a Jones left over :deal

 

But none of these guys are as huge as others in the weight class. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Marciano, Ali, Lewis all have bigger names on their record. Chavez arguably never beat an ATG! Where are they ranked?

If "ability" were ignored and we all just stuck to "achievements" then boxing history would be perverse. Fights wouldn't be broken down on a stylistic basis but on that of records. It's just insane. So does Chavez lose to any ATG from 130-147?

If you were being consistent, you'd have to pick about 10-20 fighters at 160 to beat Jones. Frankly, I think you'd be on thin ice to even pick Monzon over him H2H, let alone that many fighters.

 

Who did Liston beat Patterson who I rank as high as Schmeling, both Top13, but he lacks the depth of Louis', Frazier's win over Ali trumps every win of Louis but he also hasn't he depth of resume that Louis has. Foreman has Frazier it's the same. Marciano has an old Louis, Walcott and Charles, but it's sill the same. Ali's is a tad beter than Louis. I agree. Lewis? He has Tyson and Holyfield and V.Klitschko as borderline. Nope, not better than Louis.

Chavez beat Rosario, Camacho and Taylor who all deserve HoF satus and I would say are borderline atgs.

You got me wrong there. I ignore h2h ability when I rank fighters. When you put one fighter against another in a fantasy matchup there are many things to keep in mind. Styles, skills, talent and so on but also how proven are those fighters. I can't pick a fighter who looks great against mediocre opposition over one hat proved himself again and again against the best of all time. I wouldn't pick Chavez over the the top guys at 130-147, no. I think he would give everyone fits but I wouldn't pick him over them.

I pick plenty of fighters over him at 160. Monzon is one of them.

 

I think it's funny. Everytime you answer a posting of me you insert some insults. I really got into your didn't I?

 

Compare Jones top wins to the likes of Chavez/Monzon who routinely get rated above him, Jones wins are just better and he was more dominant against them

Jones: Toney, Hopkins, McCallum, Tarver, Ruiz
Chavez: Taylor, Lockridge, R Mayweather, Rosario
Monzon: Napoles (34yo lightweight), Griffith (33/34), Briscoe, Valdes, Benuvuti

Notice the double standards - putting Jones wins under the spotlight and not doing the same with others. Talking about who Jones didnt fight and not doing the same with others, neither Robinson/Armstrong faced top WWs like Burley, Holman Williams, Cocoa Kid

 

No insults in that post just the truth.

Learn some English or goto a German boxing forum to talk about all the great German boxers, like Sturm and Schulz

 

As you've acknowledged here, his resume shows a guy who completely outclassed Roy, plus some of Roy's more notable title challengers. The only way you can call his resume "****" is if you think the same about Roy's at that weight.

All the fighters who KO'd Roy were at least 35 themselves.

Besides, it's when a fighter isn't totally at his best or able to get things going his way that we get the best chance to see what kind of toughness and resilience he has.

 

Wrong,
1. Jones' win only made him "interim" champ.
2. McCallum had already gotten his ass kicked by Fabrice Tiozzo in his previous fight, so no win over McCallum after that would've put anyone as high as "#2".

Hill and Maske were the two longest reigning champs in the division at that point. Maske was actually favored to beat Hill.

Wrong, he ended Prince Charles Williams' long reign and won two big fights vs. ex-SMW champ Rocky Rocchigiani.

There's no chance, because the time already passed and McCallum wasn't rated higher then - even before he was whupped by Tiozzo.