Roy Jones Jr. vs. James "Buster" Douglas

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That is what I'm asking, though. Would RJJ of 1998 beat Tokyo Tyson? You're quite sure he'd beat the better man from that night...

    Styles make fights and all, but if that Douglas isn't going to stop Jones how is that Tyson going to?
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    Roy Jones would have won. He was at his peak.
    Douglas was a shot fat old man.
     
  3. ElCep

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    Jones isn't stopping any big or medium sized heavyweight unless they are utterly shot and have no fighting heart whatsoever. I'm disadvantaged because I don't know what state of disrepair Douglas was in circa 1998. What would be the weight discrepancy between Jones and Douglas come fight night - 30,40,50lbs?
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    Seven weeks after Douglas vs. Jones was set to take place.
     
  5. Bogotazo

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    I'd favor Jones. And I'd say Jones has a decent chance against a faded Tyson.
     
  6. MrMagic

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    Prime for prime Douglas by KO.

    That time, RJJ by UD.
     
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  7. SJS19

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    That Jones would of beaten that version of Douglas. Roy Senior interfered and stopped his son from fighting Buster.

    As far as Tyson goes, give me a minute.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

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    Douglas would have had at least three stone on Jones in the ring.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes. He obviously didn't share in your confidence...and fair to say he knew Junior a bit more intimately. :yep
     
  10. elchivito

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    Douglas was a helluva heavyweight the night he beat Tyson. Tyson tho wasn't at his best anymore. Douglas after his loss to Holy wasn't world class anymore. If Savarese pummeled him Rj would of decisioned him easy. Tokyo Douglas, tho, totally different story.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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    Douglas was 4" taller than Jones FWIW. (an inch more than Ruiz)
     
  12. ElCep

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    Okay, I'm changing my opinion. Buster has much quicker hands than Ruiz, and more lateral movement, but that doesn't mean much because he's clearly out of shape so wouldn't be effective for more than a few rounds, and his punch resistance is minimal. Jones probably stops him. :oops:
     
  13. SJS19

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    Having trained him years and years before as a Middleweight. Bear in mind that they hadn't as much as spoken to eachother in years before Sr interfered to stop Jones taking the fight.

    Now, Jones had just beaten Griffin in a round to re-take his LHW title. The first fight in a long time that he had been properly motivated for. So let us assume that taking on a Heavyweight would have the same motivational value.

    Now Douglas had declined significantly from the night he beat Tyson, (really this is an unfair statment, as that night was the Peak Douglas, that we never saw before or after.) At this point you are quite correct, Douglas still had a solid and snappy jab, but look at who he was landing it on. C class Heavyweights who he mostly beat by decision, showing that even if the jab was solid, there wasn't much behind it or after it.

    So, Douglas has worked his body into some resembelance of shape, and at around about this time, Jones had started to invest in body punching. (After Griffin, he fought Hill.) What happens when a body that has gone through as much as Busters, starts to take several heavy and sharp punches? It breaks down.

    Douglas throws the jab, but moves his feet sluggishly and doesn't posess any sort of lateral motion to distort Jones's target. So how on earth does he win? All that happens is that the jab gives Jones something to counter. It's not Cat and Mouse, the mouse can't sting the cat.

    It's more like the big dog vs the smart cat. Which in this instance ends with the big dog being stopped.
     
  14. SJS19

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    And Senior had no technical reasoning for Douglas beating Jones, his reason was 'Douglas has too much mass.'

    Douglas had to much mass for Douglas.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well put. :good

    That is all technically sound.

    I'd only pose back the meta argument that Murad Muhammad didn't put up much resistance - at least publicly - to Senior's interloping. He stood to make a pretty penny off Douglas vs. Jones and the massive events it could have spawned (Jones vs. Lewis, Jones vs. Holy, etc), and sort of just shrugged and said "Fair enough, the old lump is dangerous...:conf"

    I also don't recall hearing or reading anything about Jones himself ever coming out and saying "Man, dad really screwed me there! :twisted:" or indicating that it was a major disagreement between them at the time. As you say, they were borderline estranged so how much influence did Sr. really have?


    I think people confidently picking Jones are doing so for all the right reasons.

    I also think anyone who can't shake the feeling Douglas had just enough quickness and timing left to lay something on him and put him to sleep aren't out of their minds, either.

    :think
     
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