ROY jones JR what happend

jones needs to retire before he gets hurt. he cant fight anymore, all he does is a terrible rope-a-dope imitation every fight. its sad. no one will deny how incredible he as in his prime. but for the sake of his health, he should retire because hes going to get ktfo again, if he fights the wrong guy.

 

Jones will never be high on the ATG or P4P because he never fought EVERYONE in his weight divisions. Darius comes to mind.

I would put delahoya in front of him, even though I'm not a fan of his style, because he fought everybody: sweetpea, j c chavez, hopkins, pac...

 

the guy you mentioned is just to blame for that fight not happening. rjj is a bit weak, but in his prime, he as a more spectacular fighter then dlh, thus he gets the slight nod over dlh

 

Oscar is a rare breed, had he beat everyone he ever fought, he would by #1 all time great in my opinion.:good

 

I never once blamed age but it was the dramatic weight loss that killed him ..And my comparison with Tyson and Jones is as simple as this ..Will people remember Tyson for his decline or the legend he was ?

With that said why is Jones the exception ?Is his legacy really that tarnished over any other fighter who stayed in the game too long ??

What I notice is that if there is a fighter that people love to hate ie Jones his losses get magnifed .And funny but you say its not that simple to blame age but its real simple for people to say a guy is a bum after he loses !

 

He had Hopkins, Wright, Pac and Toney ranked p4p over Jones when Jones beat Ruiz.... That seems ridiculous to me, he is a Jones hater trying to disguise himself.:yep

 

I'm not even sure how the trainer think about him cause he cant even throwing punches during real fight!

 

Favortism has clouded your judgement if you consider John Ruiz a great victroy the same JohnRuiz who got knocked into the next centruy by David Tua.

By the way I acept your insults as your admition of defeat. If you think Jones win over John Ruiz is a better win than James Toney's win over Jirov then your the one making an ass of yourself. You have made every excuse that can be made for a fighter. Age, out of shape (Roy's never been out of shape) you've gone to the extent of blaming Roy's interest in rap music as part of his downfall. Thats the oddest excuse I have ever heard. You claim you judged RJ by a fair standard if you did you would not be making every excuse in the book for every loss Jones had. If you were fair (like u claim) you would admit at the very least Roy lost at least one or two fights because he was not the better man that night, but instead you make up excuses for for him, for every loss, that not even he asserted.

Nowadays so-called fight fans like yourself, require alot less of a criteria for a fighter to be called a great fighter. My guess is you like RJ because of his PBF type personality and attitude, you think thats "cool". Nowadays so called fight fans like yourself only require a fighter to have an undefeated record or won title in one or more weight classes. for them to be called great. The lesser opponent they face the better they look, you fall for this. Its more important for them to have a rap star accompany them to the ring than who they are fighting.

You don't require that they avenge their losses, or even try to, you don't require that they take risks on whom they fight. You think just because a fighter has lost then his entire career is not worthy thats why you make so many excuses for RJ. Him losing is not why I don't consider him the best, its because he fell apart and could not deal with losing. I agree with Larry Merchant, losing is not the worst thing a fighter can do, the worse thing is not taking any risks or when facing adversity a fighter chokes. Thats RJ. Thats why in an above post someone ranked DLH higher than Jones. He ranked him higher because DLH did not make excuses when he moved up in weight, he did not make preconditions on who he would fight. He ranked him higher because DLH took chances and wanted only to fight the best. You can't seem to get that into your empty head. Great fighters don't need to make excuses nor do they need for their fans to make excuses for them, which is what RJ did and what you are doing here.

Let me ask you would you have considered Ali to be the great Ali if he never foght Joe Frasier, or if he never had the rematches with him or if he avoided George Foreman? Would you consider Sugar Ray Robinson great when he lost to Jake Lamotta if he did not avenge that loss and beat him 5 out of six times. Compare Robinson's resume with RJ, SRR-Lamotta, Graziano,Fulmer, Armstrong,Gavilan,Basilio. By the way Robinson defeated Fulmer when he was 37 yrs old. All A fighters, no excuses, no preconditions when he moved up in weight. You never heard Ali, Robinson, Duran, Hagler, Holyfield, Armstrong say I don't want to fight x or I will only move up in weight to fight x-fighter not y-fighter.

When they entered a new division they said I am here to take on all comers, or even when Hagler stayed at middle-weight, he never said," I am not getting in the ring with x-fighter or I refuse to fight y-fighter. Just because u move up in weight and win a title in a other class, even though one should get some credit for it, most of the credit should be given on who did he fight in that new weight class. You automatically give 100% credit just because he moved up in weight and won a title (John Ruiz) obvioulsy the worst title holder to ever hold onto any portion of the heavyweight title. In contrast when Arguello moved up in weight he did it to fight the best 140lb fighter Aaron Pryor (he may have lost but he took the risk) Would you give him more or the same credit if he fought Bruce Curry instead of Pryor?

Or how about Lennox Lewis who got brutally ko'd by Rahman and what did he do? he came back and destroyed Rahman via ko (by the way Lewis was 35 yrs old in that fight). When did RJ ever come back and do what the above fighters I just named did? The closest thing was MG, when he got dq'd from a fight he was already winning, and he came back and won the rematch. Thats far from what Ali, Robinson, Lewis did. Your problem is you have low standards for what makes a true great fighter.

The sad thing is your standards insult all those fighters who truly did fight the best and earned the right to be called p4p best or all-time greats. Just compare your RJ's standard to Ali, Robinson, Armstrong. Its pathetic, just because he is your fav fighter you lower the bar for him.

 

Now your making judgments on fighters RJ did not fight. In my book u don't get credit for imagining RJ would of defeated a fighter based on the connection that RJ beat a fighter that DM once lost to (what is this 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon) Thats just desperate. And as I recall DM wanted to fight Jones, but Jones, said that he would not go to Europe to fight DM because of his ego. Maybe he would of beat DM, but if he would of went to Europe and fought him at least it would of shown he was taking on a challenge and doing something different.

 

Listen here **** stick, not once have I ever mentioned Roy's rap career, you are a moron, that was another poster. Also you can't spell for ****.

I have not made every excuse in the book for Roy, and yes he obviously was not the better man on the night of any his losses, not just the one or two you require.

You are a fool if you don't think Roy's decline had anything to do with his losses, I am not gonna argue such an obvious thing with a ******.

Robinson, Ali, Pep, Duran, Leonard all had greater legacies than Jones, I am not arguing that, I am simply saying Roy Jones is clearly an all time great fighter.

By the way, I would still like to know what fighter you had at P4P #1 over Jones at the time after the Ruiz victory. As a matter of fact, what fighters in Jones' era do you consider greater?

 

Again, I don't believe you truly understand Roy's style. His entire defense was based on super human reflexes, which served him well for a long time but eventually started to decline. Once the fast twitch muscle memory started to slow a little he was usually wide open for a counter.

You can't use past great fighters avenging losses and compare it to Roy because none of their styles were like Roy's and none of them relied as much on reflexes like Roy did. Which is one of the reasons I do think Roy is so great, no one fought just like he did, he showed us something new and spectacular, and as much as you don't want to admit it, he had a decent resume to back up the skills he showed in the ring.

You were asking of Roy to unlearn everything that made him great his whole career at the age of 35, and figure out a new style that was not even him. It was too late at that point. Some styles age well over time, some don't.

 

two way street -- michalczewski never took a risk and came over here...

 

Great post. Spot on my man. :good