"Running and Potshotting" vs. "Ring Generalship and Distance Control"

Damn. I gotta lot of respect for this post.

Just when I get ready to jump back on the Cotto hate-train, one of his better fans, like you and "Bronx" and Mooseknuckles, and Evalastinhoe have to ruin it with a good post.

 

Don't pick one post and try to generalize all Cotto fans with it.

Enough.

 

I've seen a few Cotto fans, like the one in this thread, say he ran but these guys are few and far between. The majority won't admit it.

 

I am a fan of both Shane & Cotto(Mosley more) and will stick with them til the end of their careers but still accept their faults and never be biased:good

 

Floyd gets too much hate from some people but the way others defend him is just as bad. For the most part I consider him a boxer. He hits, get out of the way and hits again. Refusing to stick your chin out for your opponent to get a free shot does not make you a runner.

On the other hand he has had some running performances. The Baldomir fight was running not boxing. He had nothing on his punches and had tons of openings that he didn't take. His only objective was to not get hit and he wasn't looking to put together any offense. Now I know his hand was hurt in that fight which would explain the running but it was still running. I hate when people try to make it out to be some masterfull performance.

 

Can you have been more specific?

Okay I will be.

Running and pot-shotting is what Cotto did after round 4 against Pac. I do not see any problem with that either. He knew by then he could not stand toe to toe and trade against Pac. Again, there is no shame in that, especially that he did not quit.

 

Groundbreaking stuff. :admin

 

In theory it seems like a distinction without a difference, but there is:

Ring General ship is placing your opponent where you want him. You are in control of the ring space, and you use movement, punches, and even a bit of the old clinch, to dictate how the fight goes. Ring Generalship is pro-active.

Running is reactionary. The opponent is dictating your position in the ring, and you are trying to avoid conflict.

What is a Ring General, and what is a Runner? This up to the taste of the judges. The sport is very subjective in that regard. People forget that,

 

Great point. You pretty much summed it up. I hated Camacho back in 84-85. I had blinders on and though I knew he was a phenom., I did'nt like/appreciate his style. Now I watch old clips of how dominant he was and appreciate him a great deal more. I'm not a fan of Mayweather, but I've been watching some of his past fights and am appreciating him more and more. If we can let the emotions go prior watching a fight, then we can be more objective

 

Everything I said earlier about an unnamed fighter is true. Many of his fans did say he put on a boxing clinic against a guy that had him in survival mode pretty much the whole fight and eventually beat him into submission. Whenever I pointed out that the fighter was running his ass off in that fight, I got called a hater and was told the guy put on a boxing clinic and just ran out of gas. And when this same fighter put on another track meet a couple fights later, many of his supporters chimed in and claimed he fought like a warrior. You don't hear many of these claims anymore because his fans have all dissappeared or have decided not be so vocal.

 

mayweather has everything you mentiones mr. ts...

 

THere is nothing wrong with pot shotting....Running? Yea...you dont run in boxing. Ring Generalship is not running but it's using skills to keep range, distance and pace under your control where it allows you to be more effective defensivly as well as offensively.

So yea....there is a difference. Whether you are rooting for or against a fighter ring generalship is ring generalship. That doesn't change just b/c your opinion of the one fighting is either negative or positive.

 

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Say what you will about who won Cotto/Clottey, but when Cotto got that brutal cut rather than running away he exhibited great ring generalship by pressuring Clottey and forcing him to cover up with that defensive shell. Aggressive genius.

 

I think a lot of the time, the difference in perception between "running" and "ring generalship" or "fighting tactical rounds" depends on how much a fighter makes his opponent look clumsy or slow, or if a fighter can land some impressive counters off of his defensive movement, and other factors