Russian Doping Scandal: 99% affected including boxing

atsch They catch those who DO A BAD job hiding their PED usage, or are unlucky. If you do not take PED's in baseball, you wont make it to the big time.

 

I know, you will be picketing somewhere protesting for Russia. lol I said my wife and son, not me. I have no interest in going to Peru to climb some godforsaken mountain to see some halfass pyramids.

 

Pyramids? :roflatsch

 

Pyramids, ancient stone structures, they are all the same to me.

 

You're just a troll.....last comment /response you get from me.

 

Texas> Bronx

 

So you admit Russians are doping in larger numbers, about time.

Maybe the Russians have now learned not to give PED's to every athlete.

 

Primarily their Female track stars, there is a problem when the men's track and field squad in Russia is ten times less successful than their women's. I never said the Russians were doping in larger numbers, I said the athletes doping had allot of help from officials and doctors on a larger scale (There is much more involvement from NON-athletes in this scandal), I never said they had MORE dopers. :deal

 

Go to a gym.

You guys are clueless...

 

Why are only the women being given all the PED's, why are the poor male Russian athletes not getting the top level PED's like the Russian women, no wonder they are not as successful as the women.

Why are so many officials involved at all levels when there were so few people doping according to you. Why create a large scale program to hide test results of large numbers of Russian athletes when apparently according to you so few athletes were involved?

 

I said Russia has JUST as much dopers as any other country, except the athletes capitalized on corruption and bribery (non-athletes getting involved) to help them pass drug tests. This is ALLOT different than Western athletes circumventing the system with knowledge from few people, or their own resources. The United States and Russia are world class athletic powerhouses, both their athletes evolved differently, Western athletes KNOW how to use and NOT get caught (cheat the system), Russian Athletes KNOW how to use the broken down system, corruption and bribery to pass drug tests, it is all practically the same thing. The end result is still both athletes doping. Also let me remind you that when an athletics powerhouse nation like Russia which has a sporting infrastructure on par with that of the United States, and produces heavily trained world class athletes fails to capture top spot in the Olympic medal table, this proves that the Russian's are NOT the only ones doping. :deal

 

Nobody has said that it's only the Russian's doping, US has a long history of doping, Kenya are in deep trouble at the moment as well and of course a lot of Jamaicans have been caught recently.

Just because Russia are the ones that have been caught now and seem to be doing it with state support doesn't mean everyone else is clean, far from it.

But you can't just ignore the fact the Russian athletes are doing this with state support which is different to what happens in most countries, or at least I hope so. At least some other nations try and pretend to uphold the rules even if it's done badly, better to be inept or incompetent than to be willfully corrupt. The Russians have given up all pretence of trying to be clean and even encouraged athletes that would have previously not cheated, to cheat.

I actually feel sorry for some Russian athletes as there will be clean athletes who will now be looked upon with suspicion and there will be athletes who were forced to cheat and may have been successful without cheating but now they will never know what they could have done without enhancement. Not to mention the physical aftermath later in life, many of the German athletes that were forced to cheat in the 70's were afflicted with life long medical problems as they pushed their bodies beyond what was naturally possible.

 

1) There is NO evidence that there was state support, there is evidence though that SOME government officials were BRIBED. Difference. You still need evidence that this was a case of the state mandating it, and not a bribery/corruption scandal. Where is the evidence that Putin was involved? Are you sure it was not officials acting on their own behalf for a couple of Euros?

2) Clean athletes looked upon with suspicion? Why should any world class athlete NOT be looked upon with suspicion of using PED's? Every bloody world class athlete that exists is doped to the gills, they have to be in order to compete with the other roided out freaks out there atsch You cannot seriously assume an American Olympic Gold medalist today that OUT COMPETED her/his fellow Russian counterpart is NOT roided to the gills.

3) Sports are a trivial thing nowadays (very lucrative, but not as important as geopolitics), it is allot easier to get away with something even more trivial like Female sports, than it is to get away with something as large as male sports. Russia's female track team is roided to the gills, but so are her competitors.

4) Just accept that track and field is a dirty business. There is still no documented case of Soviet athletes growing up sick, and having physical disabilities due to being forced to dope at a young age, it was simply EAST GERMANS who were forcing their athletes to dope at such a young age. The Russian track officials today probably RECOMMEND doping, but they wont inject PED's to minors for Christs sake :-( Leave that to the east Germans :deal

5) In the West you do not need somebody to convince you to cheat, you do it on your OWN accord. When you have allot of cash incentives to be a successful athlete, you will find ways to cheat the system. Sports are a VERY lucrative business in the west, track stars in the United States make more than Russian track stars :deal

6) It is very easy for Russia to fix its athletics problem, the Russian athletes will simply find more innovative creative ways to cheat, without needing the assistance of corrupt officials, similar to how WESTERN athletes do it.