Salvador Sanchez Overrated?

Just watched the fight, I had it Sanchez 144 Ford 144 . A Draw.
Arthur Mercante ringside gave it to Sanchez by one round.
Sanchez was behind on my card going into the 13th And at that stage Mercante had it 7 -5 for Ford.
I made the 14th even and Sanchez well won the 15th.to retain his title.
The Mexican judge Ramon Berumen who gave it to Sanchez by 148 -139 should have been shot! NB His refereeing resume consists of 3 fights one of the other 2 being as third man in the title fight between Sanchez and Castillo. A U Dec for Sanchez, wonder what his score card was that night?

 

All of these histrionics aside, you had it a draw then. Okay. Are you really saying then that the official verdict of a majority decision is THAT different than what you imagine? One Mexican judge had a draw as well. The third judge, replete in his non-Mexicanness, had it for Sanchez too. How do you reckon that then, since the travesty of a shared nationality can't be to blame?

To read your reply here, it doesn't seem to be quite the robbery you originally described, would you agree?

 

Can you point out where I called it a robbery? What I did was question the propriety of having two judges from the same country as the champion and that I would question whoever was in the ring fighting. Bottom line Sanchez won a majority decision over a 16 fight challenger ,was given a real tussle by 13 fight unranked Nelson and won a split dec from unranked Cowdell. Are these performances the stuff that legends are made of?

 

Oh stop. The part where you said "no hometown judges required." You knew what you meant, as did anyone reading it. This is no time to be coy.

So great fighters can't have tough fights, is that the inference? Can't say I agree with that at all. Instead of fretting over how many fights Nelson had I watched the fight and know what I saw; a tough, savvy, motivated fighter executing a clever fight plan. No asterisk needed as far as I'm concerned.

 

I've already said both Sanchez and Pedroza are great fighters, but another poster kept trumpeting on about how Sanchez beat better fighters and rated challengers, he actually didnt there's nothing between them and two of his hardest fights, against Nelson and Cowdell were against unranked boxers,who only subsequently gained a ranking based on their performances against him .I'm fretting over nothing whatsover, I do have to wonder however, how Nelson might have done against Sanchez had he the same amount of ring experience under his belt? Ialso find it amusing that when I mentioned Pedroza kod Ford whereas Sanchez only won a majority dec over him you rushed to point out that Sanchez did better against Laporte than Pedroza did," coyly" omitting the fact that Laporte had beaten nobody of note when he faced Sanchez and didnt enter the ratings till early the next year whereas when he fought Pedroza he was ranked no2 and had the benefit of a top class win over Lockridge under his belt. You said earlier you didn't think you were biased on this issue ,perhaps you are mistaken? For the record I prefer Sanchez to Pedroza,but not at the Panamanians expense.

 

Nope. I'm not biased in the least. I'm also a fan of Pedroza's.

But by all means, try another straw to grasp at.

 

Have I been at all rude to you in my replies?

 

Not that I can recall. I have no problem with you per se, just your argument. It's nothing personal.

 

The Nexican referee who made it a landslide for Sanchez v Ford, 148-139 is this one.
Raymundo Berumen!

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Jesus man, have you been researching this for the last few days or something?

Again, as to this, so what? A non-Mexican also voted for him and the other Mexican had it the same score as you, a draw. You took all this time to illustrate a point as flimsy as this?

 

When we had our last discussion I looked up who were the officials for the Sanchez v Ford fight and took note of the ridiculous card Berumen turned in.
Then today a poster put up a fight in the terrible refereeing thread,low and behold it was Berumen who actually only refereed 3 fights in his career.I havent been researching or trying to make any points apart from the obvious one that Berumen was a totally incompetent referee,and judge.I thought the info was interesting, if you don't ,no problem just leave it alone! WTF do I care? Are you going through a bad patch at the moment because you come out painted for war every time you respond to me!

 

Not at all, you seem to be the one coming at me.

If you have an interesting sidebar thing that ISN'T directly to do with the argument at hand, a note of addendum is usually helpful. Otherwise I think you're just trying to continue to hammer the point home from this new angle, y'know?

 

I'm not coming at you at all,on the rare occasions I have done so, I've left people in no doubt about it.My post wasn't aimed specifically at you but within half an hour you were responding. Having watched the farce of a fight Berumel was the 3rd man in, and seen also his score for the Saldivar fight,would you not agree he was incompetent in both duties?That is my only point. N.B Berumen was also the referee in the Sanchez v Castillo fight,so two of only his 3 fights as third man were world title fights ,and involved the defending champion Sanchez .

 

For what? Stevenson isn't going back down to featherweight.

He's absolutely amazing, and completely believe he'll evolve into arguably the best fighter in boxing over the next five years. But none of that will be at featherweight, and so it doesn't mean he'd beat Sanchez.

And I highly doubt he'll finish his career as great as Sanchez.

 

A fighter doesn't need a big resume at a weight class to be one of the best h2h there.