Sam Langford question

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are arguing with Ghul? This ****ing idiot thinks Bubi Scholz was one of the greatest middleweights in history. BUBI ****ING SCHOLZ!
     
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  2. 70sFan865

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    Yeah, I've seen that. That's the point, Langford used jabs like any other boxer. That's why I'm asking whether you've seen the same footage as me.
    With small gloves it's far less effective though. Besides, Langford showed many variants of different guards in his fights. You called him a head first fighter, which is far from the truth. He's better and more versatile defensive fighter than many HWs after him - even than guys like Marciano for example.
     
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    Live long enough and anything is possible!
     
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    Scholz is top ten ,up there with Papp,no question.
     
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  5. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    How many did you count? I had it 0 - 1 in any footage.
    Well in the past were the gloves actual bigger than now and heavier, but whatsoever you mean...:buenrollo:

    Marciano had much better headmovement and footwork; this is not even comparable. While he wasn't one of the best defensive boxers, but a lot slicker and agile than Langford ever was, in any point of his career. It's like comparing Ruy Lopez with Paul Morphy.
     
  6. 70sFan865

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    Not true, just watch damn footage. They could grapple with old gloves, they were that small. Today you can't do anything with gloves other than punch.
    I will tell you later.
    Marciano has decent headmovement but his footwork is clearly worse and he's definitely not more nimble. Langford was far more versatile defensive fighter than Rocky.
     
  7. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL. Neither are remotely top ten middleweight fighters, not even top ten European middleweights. Scholz best work was at 175. Papp beat a bunch of washed up tomatoe cans before he was retired by the communists.
     
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  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Against Lang, in incomplete 3 rounds we have Langford threw around 10 jabs. That's not bad for someone who "used jab 0-1 times in all footage".
     
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  9. timmers612

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    Fair enough but also consider that reports about him indicate that some of those losses were due to not being able to train or eat as needed.
     
  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    The size of the gloves was larger in the first half of the 20. Century, even in the fourties and possible fifties. But in the late 19. century they were smaller, which was about one decade (or generation) before Langford career got started.

    Even in the movie Rocky I said Mickey, that Marciano trained his footwork by spaning a roope between his feet (and maybe hunting chicken), which improved his footwork a lot. He could cut the ring very effective and was a decent mover, but didn't waste energy in doing so with unnecessary moves (like Clay and Hide did). He is here perhaps comparable with Tyson and had a better footwork than Liston and Frazier (but not as good as Johnson or Tunney).
     
  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    But these issues had a lot of fighters and even much more than him. If he had a better defence (like Johnson or Tunney), then he likely wouldn't have lost the light in his first eye.
     
  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    No top 55 (but Papp is top 5, arguable pound for pound).
     
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    I really think this forum would be better off if everybody would just ignore Mr. Al-Ghul entirely in all the topics discussed on this forum and pretend he is not a member.
    Then, he wouldn't have anyone with whom to exchange answers, and the rest of us could go on with the serious business of intelligent discourse.
     
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    I think he is the standout poster here with unique opinions and his own singular logic.A one of a kind!
     
  15. 70sFan865

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    No, they weren't. Watch any of Jack Johnson fight, the gloves were basically the same as in late 19th century. Have you ever watched any Johnson, Langford, Dempsey and others fight? They all fought with smaller gloves, even in 1930s the gloves were smaller than today.