Sam Langford vs These fighters

Exactly there's no footage. Patterson looks a lot better on film than Langford ...but he fought in 50s so that's automatically less impressive.

If a fighter in teens looked like Patterson they'd call him the greatest of all time

 

Langford lost to Jim Flynn and Gunboat Smith. Neither of whom look like they can fight even a little bit. Even Sam McVey for all his vaunted "fab four" status looks pretty bad on film. Im comfortable giving Quarry and Patterson an even chance.

 

Langford on film looks like a monster to me. There is a video on YouTube that breaks down Langford in slow motion. Incredibly impressive. These silent era films you need slow motion ****ysis otherwise even experts can miss out on the skills many of these greats possessed.

 

Langford does look great on film but that doesnt mean Patterson and Quarry look bad. Do they look any worse than the guys Langford is fighting? There is no doubt both were better than Flynn and Lang. Jeanette may have been a great fighter (I think he is overrated) but he looks like **** against Langford. Bad balance, running, playing tag, getting plastered. He looks tough and thats about it. Hes no bigger than Patterson or Quarry either so you cant really use that in his favor. Im not selling Langford short Im just looking at the guy realistically. He was one of the all time greatest fighters but he wasnt unbeatable at any stage of his career by different styles etc. You can say "oh well, he showed up overconfident or underprepared..." Well, thats part of his makeup isnt it? You cant just say "Oh well, Patterson showed up at six feet tall" and then pretend he could have shown up at 6'3". Langford was known to get fat and lazy between fights against even dangerous competition. Even in perfect shape it doesnt mean he is going to win. Quarry wasnt an easy guy to knockout and was a difficult opponent off the ropes. He had the same issues as Langford when it came to the question of which version shows up but I see his style and physical gifts as a big issue for Sam. Patterson maybe had a weak chin but he was also fast as hell and had terrific punch. He could box or brawl and fought everyone. For a guy who gets a bad rap about his level of competition and his chin he fought everyone, was usually in good fights, and was only knocked out a few times legitimatey and those came against some of the all time great HW punchers. I wouldnt count either of these guys out against Langford.

 

I think one of many differences is the frequency of bouts Langford fought. Fighting so often you have good nights and bad nights. Langford over his very long career had a massive predominance of good nights. Take Patterson or Quarry and tell them to fight as often as Langford did under the conditions he had to fight and we all would see a separation from the men and boys. In so many ways it's a different game so it's very hard to compare. I certainly would favor the best Langford over either man. Quarry's skin was too easy to cut and Floyds chin not stable enough to perform favorably under the Langford power.

 

I think that Langford loosing to those guys, was pretty much an artifact of his busy schedule.

I don't think that Patterson would have a ghost of a chance to be honest.

 

I would say for whatever it is worth, that Langford was a much better finisher than Joe Frazier, and arguably better even than Liston.

He is not a guy you would want to match Patterson or Quarry against.

 

5 foot 6 Langford a better puncher and finisher than Liston? No way

Liston would smash Langford in under 5 rounds

Langford thought skinny beanpole fultons jab was tough? Wait until he feels Listons

 

Firstly remember that we are not asking who would win a fight between Sam Langford and Sonny Liston, we are asking who was the better finisher.

I submit that if you look at who they both knocked out, and how they did it, Langford has a decent case here.

Either way, as soon as Patterson walks into one of Tham's little traps, it is going to be good night sweet prince.

 

I would confidently pick Henry Cooper to annihilate Joe Gans and for Liston to obliterate Cooper.:huh

 

So anyone who can beat the 133 lb Gans can beat Liston??

 

Floyd Patterson KO 1
Floyd Patterson KO
Cleveland Williams TKO 3
Cleveland Williams TKO 2
Zora Folley KO 3
Nino Valdes KO 3
Mike Dejohn TKO 6
Roy Harris TKO 1
Wayne Bethea TKO 1


Liston was knocking out ring magazine top 10 EARLY and emphatically as you can see here. Most of these men were in there prime, and some of them were being ducked by heavywight champion Floyd Patteson. Patterson himself was never put down for the 10 count in his 17 year career except when he fought liston, twice in 1 round. Those are better knockouts over a better opponent than anything Sam has. Did sam knock out a prime hall of fame heavyweight champion twice in 1 round?


What fighter with Pattersons style of handspeed and punching power with combination punching did sam ever fight? The answer is none. Sam never came close to fighting a heavyweight of Pattersons abiLittle

 

Why not?? Langford never fought a fighter who could throw fast powerful combinations like Patterson