Sanchez V BJ Penn WAR!!

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  1. Dynamite Kid

    Dynamite Kid "I Must Break You" Full Member

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    Absolute nonsense. Unlike Griffin & Evans(and I'm a Griffin fan saying this), Nightmare actually has real talent & skill. Florian is good, but not on the same level as Nightmare. I don't know why you think Nightmare can't hang with the greats. Just because he's the original Ultimate Fighter doesn't mean he can't fight. In reality, quite a few of the guys off TUF are contenders now and have proven that they can hang. IMO TUF produces better fighters than the Contender. And Nightmare is a stud and a future champ, and he just might walk away with Penn's title. It's very possible.
     
  2. chimba

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    Evans has more talent in his overrated body than Diego will ever have. This guy was a bonafide top tier american wrestling who has tremendous handspeed as well. For me Florian has more skills than Diego as well. Diego has great prevent BJJ because of his tenacity and cardio. I cant envision him submitting any fighter of significance.
     
  3. PUMPERG

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    Bj all day unstoppable at 155 lbs
     
  4. Dynamite Kid

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    Just because Evans is a better WRESTLER doesn't mean he's a better FIGHTER. Evans as a fighter is nowhere near Nightmare. For you to say Evans has more talent in his overrated body than Diego will ever have" is absolutely absurd. Watch all of they're fights and compare(including the ones before they were in the UFC) Sanchez has always been a respected name and was KOTC welterweight champion, while Evans started getting his buzz when he won TUF season 2(and had one of the worst fights of all time in his first fight on the show) Unlike Evans, Nightmare knows what to do on the ground, Evans doesn't even really pass guard and creates a snooze fest while the ref stand him up again. Rashad needed work and had to progress when he won TUF while Nightmare right off the bat started kicking everyone's ass he stepped in the cage with. Evans can't say that. Evans won his fights a quite a few of them were boring. Nightmre can't say that. Nightmare can finish fights and more times than not, takes his opponents will(Koscheck 1st fight, Parisyan, Florian all got manhandled & destroyed). Evans has some impressive KO's don't get me wrong, but Evans & Sanchez aren't even camparable buddy. Evans may have a UFC title on his resume(that he won from another TUF winner) but if Nightmare beat Penn, then he surpasses him in that area also because BJ is one of the best fighters in the world.

    As far as Florian, Nightmare doesn't have to sub him to beat him. Oh wait now I remember, when they fought Florian didn't wanna engage, he wanted to run and Nightmare simply mounted him up and beat the utter crap out of him. This MMA bro, just because Nightmare may not sub Florian(which he has the potential to do) doesn't Florian is a better fighter. Florian is a stud, but Nightmare would have never lost to Sherk or get discouraged(as Florian did when he fought BJ). Nightmare even schooled Nick Diaz and whipped his ass to. Evans & Florian are nowhere near Nightmare.
     
  5. jimmie

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    This shouldnt even be up for debate. Diego Sanchez has proved himself time and time agian in this sport. Dynamite like you said he won the KOTC Championship before he went on TUF and KOTC is one of the bigger non UFC/Pride shows up the last several years and Diego beat a bigger Jorge Santiago to do so and Santiago is currently a top 10 ranked Middleweight. We have seen him dominate Nick Diaz in a ground fight and Karo Parysian to and of course he KTFO of Joe Riggs in what was supposed to be Riggs best area. As far as Florian didnt he mount him and pound his face in ? BOTH men have improved since then it isnt ok Florian has improved and Diego has lost a step. IMO Diego defeated Jon Fitch although its extremly close and as a Lightweight he has cleary defeated 2 top contenders Stevenson and Guida. Diego has been whopping top fighters for 5 years now get over it he is a outstanding fighter.
     
  6. codeman99998

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    I wouldn't say that Diego would necessarily beat Sherk. He very well could, but that is up for debate.
     
  7. Dynamite Kid

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    We saw Frankie Edgar run a train on Shawn Sherk. He completely outclassed him. I know styles make fights, but Sherk would get handled by Nightmare. Nightmare is a WAY bigger hitter than Sherk, more arm reach, better striker, and Sherk wouldn't able to stop Nightmare from landing shots. I'm not underestimating Sherk's ability to put fighters on they're back, but what good would be putting Diego on his back if he's gonna have to most likely defend monstrous elbows from Nightmare from the bottom which will most likely cut Sherk open, and a **** load of submission attempts from the bottom as well, because Nightmare DOESN'T stop moving and he's a WAY better submission fighter & finisher than Edgar is. He fights hard from every position, including off his back. Nightmare would absolutely destroy Shawn Sherk. What's Sherk gonna do? Out strike him? Ground & pound him? Grind him out and keep Diego on his back? I don't think so. Nightmare TKO round 2 or 3.
     
  8. chimba

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    Evans is more talented than Diego..cmon man.. youve been posting well lately. Diego has alot of heart and more intense, he is one tough sob but to not be able to distinguish between their talent and skill level is crazy.

    Wrestling alone on a competitive basis is one of the most skillful sport there is. Rashads wrestling is World class. And laugh as you want but Rashad has good boxing much better than Diegos.

    BTW Jimmie, that Diaz fight wasnt so one sided, they were rolling like monkeys for 3 rounds wioth Diego pulling it off by the mere fact of wanting it more.
     
  9. Dynamite Kid

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    Dude, I'm trying extremely hard to see things from your point of view and I just can't. Their is absolute no way in the bloody hell from a talent stand point Rashad Evans is better than Diego Sanchez. It's just not happening. I already broke down all the reason's Sanchez is better. You keep mentioning Wrestling. I'm talking about Fighting. Diego is a BETTER FIGHTER than Rashad evans. He fights harder, goes harder, better finisher, better skill.

    As far as Rashad Evans Boxing ability, sure it's descent. He countered Liddell's ridiculous attempts at an uppercut with an over hand and it was a beautiful shot. Evans won me money that night. However, Nightmare's Boxing is improving everytime he fights. I think you're forgetting or never saw the right hook that put Joe Riggs down. Neither guy has elite Boxing skills, but they do ok. And it was only in some of Evans recent fights where he was showing descent Boxing. During season 2 of TUF and for quite a few fights after the show, Rashad Evans did this lousy project hallway looking slap-boxing type of thing where he constantly waived his hands back & fourth & up & down:lol: If by any chance you don't know what I'm talking about, just watch some of his earlier fights. You'll see it. It's there:deal:lol:

    Back to my point, Rashad Evans is in no way, shape, or form better than Diego Sanchez from a talent stand point or as a FIGHTER.:deal
     
  10. Dynamite Kid

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    Take 1 look at Diaz's face after that fight and tell me Nightmare didn't whip that ass:deal
     
  11. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Im just not sold on Diego ..He can be better evaluated after the BJ fight.
     
  12. codeman99998

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    Florian cut Sherk open real bad from the bottom and probably has better subs than Diego. Yes, I think Sherk could definitely grind him down and win a decision. Sure, Diego is a better sub fighter than Edgar but Edgar didn't beat Sherk by sub anyways so what does that prove? That's like me saying that Maia is a way better submission fighter than Anderson Silva, so he definitely should beat Marquardt.
     
  13. Dynamite Kid

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    My bad, I could have swore Edgar subbed Sherk with a guillontine. I was thinking of something completely different. Ok you got me there.

    Back to topic, NO Sherk doesn't grind Sanchez out dude. NO. He CAN'T keep him there. Do you understand? Diego Sanchez is NOT Kenny Florian. Sherk isn't gonna bully him like that. Nightmare is physically stronger than Florian & is a savage. The guy is gonna get off his back some kind of way and Sherk is gonna have a hard time keeping him contained. Just because you saw a very strong 170 lber Jon Fitch control Diego and keep him neutralized, DOESN'T mean Sherk can do it. That's NOT happening. This is NOT a wrestling match. Sherk would get absolutely abused by Diego Sanchez. You thinking Sherk can actually grind that maniac out and actually keep him on his back is absurd. But that is your opinion and I respect it.
     
  14. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Are you Diego Sanchez???

    Rashad Evans is the more skilled fighter, by far. His striking is a couple levels above Diegos and his wrestling is leagues above as well. Diego has him in jiu jitsu and tenacity.

    Diego's striking is not great, it's overrated. You will see. BJ Penn is gonna make him look amateurish on his feet in there.

    And stop calling him "Nightmare" :lol: just say diego or sanchez please.
     
  15. Dynamite Kid

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    First off, why would you quote what I said about Diaz and come with Rashad Evans logic?:huh

    Secondly, Evans is NOT more skilled than Diego. Rashad is better in Wrestling. Diego is light years ahead in JIU-JITSU. They're even in Boxing. And as an overall fighter, Diego's Fight game is better than Evans.

    Third, NIGHTMARE!!

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