Scoring Fights From Recent Years.

I'd love him to beat Ioka and bag a Rungvisai win, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

 

Well, one already did...

Ioka vs Yaegashi is damn good, haven't seen much more from Ioka other than that.

What did you have SRR/Estrada 1?

 

Do an RBR... I'll join in.

 

Thank heavens for small blessings. You'll never be the worst scorer on the board as long as Pinoy is around.

 

When the scores are 441 to 284 punches landed I don't know how people miss the majority of landed punches. I know some people don't believe compubox is accurate, but do you think they're that inaccurate? Or that they just added 157 punches to Chocolatito's score out of spite? If you don't believe them, you can see them landing with your own eyes. Even if you think that Rungvisai is the harder puncher, which I will concede. Gonzalez outlanded him in nine rounds sometimes by by substantial margins of 27, 32, 17, 26. To think that Gonzalez lost that fight you must either believe that he's a featherfist who's punches count for half as much as Rungvisais, even though he connected wiith 95 more powershots, or you are just scoring blood.

I think it's a mix of people not keeping track of what's landing, thinking one guy is doing twice the damage with his punches, and scoring blood that gets them to a Rungvisai win, same as it for people thinking Horn beat Pacquiao; which by the way was scored by the same female judge. CST also scored that for Horn. That's all I'll say.

Cuadras vs Gonzalez was also an 8-4 affair. Again, Gonzalez outlanded Cuadras in 9 rounds. He had an advantage of 65 total punches and 83 power punches. How is that a freaking draw unless you don't count punches landed or are counting Gonzalez' landed punches for much less than Cuadras? That's a draw the same way Whitaker/Chavez deserved to be a draw.

 

You gave Rungvisai rounds 8 and 9 clear? Gonzalez is doubling the connects. As for 12 being close, Gonzalez nearly tripled him in punches landed. He did triple Rungvisai in punches landed in round 6 which you scored even. Actually, it looks like you scored it for Rungvisai since he lost a point that round for head butting, which is why you made it 9-9 even. That's a 10-8 round for Gonzalez.

Here's the RBR on the night. Page 47 is where the fight ended. https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/hbo-ppv-gennady-golovkin-vs-daniel-jacobs-román-gonzález-vs-wisaksil-wangek-rbr.583585/page-47
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Tie
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lordsouness

27 for Gonzalez, 15 for Rungvisai, 7 for tie, although I might not have seen every score since I have a lot of people on ignore.

Afterwards, I have GeorgeCrowcroft, Phillyfan, Scar tissue, andrewa1, Theydon'tboxnomore7, and Bonecrusher throwing their hats into the ring for Rungvisai. Roughdiamond had it a tie. Ken Ashcroft, pincai, rumple, stiflers mum, mafioso, collie, tee_birch, cippi, raybans, princenaseemhamed, and Farmboxer saw Gonzalez winning.
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/was-chocolatito-screwed.584169/page-4
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/fight-of-the-week-28-a-modern-day-mess.638830/page-3
So that brings the total on this forum to 38-21-8. 56% for Gonzalez, 31% for Rungvisai, and 12% for a tie.

Eye on the Ring gives this bout a 71% controversy rating with only 29 percent agreeing that Rungvisai deserved the win. So when you add the Gonzalez and tie percentages together that's roughly how we have it here.

 

My scorecards from two viewings of the match.
First viewing
Gonzalez vs Rungvisai

R1 10-8 Runvisai SSR scored a knockdown with a body blow.
R2 10-9 Gonzalez SSR throwing more. Gonzalez picking off shots with arms and gloves, landing more and better shots.
R3 10-9 Gonzalez Clash of heads leading to a cut by Gonzalez' right eye. Gonzalez landing more and cleaner shots, catching a lot of SSR's punches on forearms and gloves.
R4 10-9 Gonzalez More head clashing. SSR landing harder, going to the body, but Gonzalez landing more, landing more accurately, doing the cleaner work. SSR trys to bully Gonzalez around the ring with his strength, pushing Gonzalez to the ropes, but Gonzalez is taking little steps back and uppercutting SRR. SRR tries to lean on Gonzalez and smother his work, so Gonzalez moves laterally, side steps, dances around SRR hitting him from all angles, tattooing him in the last 30 seconds of the round.
R5 10-9 Gonzalez SSR landing the harder bombs doing more damage the first two minutes but in the final minute it's all Gonzalez dancing around him throwing punch after unreturned punch.
R6 10-8 Gonzalez This round was all Gonzalez bell to bell. First 30 seconds Gonzalez ducks or evades most shots leading into a headbutt. Then Gonzalez beats SSR around the ring with SSR occassionally trying to bull his way out by walking forward and pushing, but not doing anything offensively to score or do damage. Another headbutt at the end of the round and the referee takes a point from SSR.
R7 10-9 Rungvisai I feel like giving a round to SSR since Roman didn't do as well this round and those heavy hands of SSRs ought to get some credit, even if they don't land very often. They are having an effect. Another headbutt.
R8 10-9 Rungvisai I can't tell this round. Probably need to see it again. It seemed close. SSR lands harder and Gonzalez lands more and cleaner. SSR was bullying Gonzalez around for the first two minutes, grunting when he punches. Looked like he got in some good body punches.
R9 10-9 Gonzalez Close. Gonzalez came forward the whole three minutes pushing SSR around the ring. SSR backed up and tried to fight in spots as Gonzalez came in at him. Gonzalez had to work harder, throwing more punches, being busier, but looking the more tired fighter. Nothing flashy or spectacular here. Roman's eye is bleeding bad down his cheek.
R10 10-9 Gonzalez The first minute they had a good toe to toe exchange and Gonzalez seemed to get the better of it, but SSR got off some really good heavy shots. He's just getting outworked by Gonzalez, taking two to land one. The question is are his shots worth two of Gonzalez? Gonzalez is trying to smother him with output chasing him around the ring, clearly in command, but SSR seems fresher and doesn't give a **** about Gonzalez' shots. He's backing up setting traps and trying to land when Gonzalez comes in. He's having some success, just not a lot.
R11 10-9 Gonzalez Gonzalez slowing now but still in control. SSR backing up. Not a lot landing since SSR is not accurate enough to hit Gonzalez and Gonzalez is too slow and weary to hit SSR. Gonzalez lands a few more punches, but it's not really much and SSR isn't bothered by them. Maybe, give the round to Gonzalez for ring generalship and dictating the terms of the fight.
R12 10-9 Gonzalez Big Gonzalez round. SSR running and holding. Gonzalez landing at will. All action coming from Gonzalez.

116-112 Gonzalez

Second viewing

Okay, here we go. Re-watching on the HBO telecast instead of Sky.

R1. 10-8 Rungvisai. Gonzalez goes down on a body shot.

R2. 10-9 Gonzalez Close. Rungvisai in control the first two minutes. Gonzalez blocking and backing up. Gonzalez takes control in the last minute, speeds up, and lands a lot of punches.

R3. 10-9 Gonzalez. Headbutt at 1:50. Gonzalez cut over eye. Gonzalez takes over after a brief exchange lands almost at will, blocking almost everything on gloves and arms.

R4. 10-9 Gonzalez. First minute goes to Gonzalez landing more. Second minute Rungvisai bulls close and even though he doesn't land much he smothers Gonzalez' output. Last 46 seconds Gonzalez ****s Rungvisai up. Rungvisai looks a little stunned at the bell.

R5. 10-9 Gonzalez. First minute goes to Gonzalez. Gonzalez lands a great combination about a minute and a half in. Rungvisai lands a good body shot at the end of the second minute. Gonzalez beat Rungvisai from one end of the ring to the other in the last minute. Jim Lampley and Max Kellerman remark on how Gonzalez almost can't miss.

R6. 10-8 Gonzalez comes out firing getting the better of things. Head clash thirty seconds in. Rungvisai tries to push Gonzalez back with his legs late in the second minute, fails as Gonzalez pushes him back with punches. Clash of heads in the last ten seconds. Ref takes a point from Rungvisai. Gonzalez dominates the whole round pushing Rungvisai around. Rungvisai backing up almost the whole time getting hit a lot. How does he not go down getting hit that much? Gonzalez isn't featherfisted.

R7. 10-9 Rungvisai First minute was probably Gonzalez' but he's slowing down. Second minute was Rungvisai. He's starting to land, and grunt when he punches. Bout even in the last minute. Close round to Rungvisai.

R8. 10-9 Gonzalez. First minute Gonzalez hits Rungvisai in the face and Rungvisai counters by hitting Gonzalez on the shoulder, the elbow, or the air as Gonzalez ducks under it. Does Rungvisai ever duck? Second minute Rungvisai bulls forward pushing Gonzalez back, but still being outlanded quite a bit. Gonzalez lands a good punch with 35 seconds left but nothing else of note in the last minute from either fighter.

R9. 10-9 Gonzalez. Before round the doctors check the cuts. First minute, slight edge to Rungvisai. Good body shot. Blood streaming from Gonzalez' eye, looks nasty. Second minute Gonzalez moving forward, slight edge, landing slightly more. Still not much between them. Gonzalez, face a bloody mask, bleeding on Rungvisai's chest, backs Rungvisai up and outlands him in the last minute. Roy commends Gonzalez' pressure tactics. Lederman scores round for Rungvisai. I guess it was fairly close. This might be a swing round on people's cards.

R10 10-9 Rungvisai. First two minutes Gonzalez looks tired and sloppy. He's backing Rungvisai up but not really doing much damage. Looked like Rungvisai landed better in the last minute.

R11 10-9 Rungvisai. First minute is even. Gonzalez going forward but not doing more damage. Second minute is Rungvisai's for a good combo at 1:20. Gonzalez continues forward but slow, tired, and sloppy. Even last minute. Rungvisai looking fresher, landing heavier shots.

R12 10-9 Gonzalez. First minute is even. Rungvisai hugging and holding. Second minute Gonzalez landing bombs. Rungvisai turns to run. Audience boos. Third minute Gonzalez chasing Rungvisai trying to leave it all in the ring, landing a little while Rungvisai runs and hugs.

8-4 Gonzalez

Okay, I gave Rungvisai rounds 1 and 7 both times. I changed round 10 from I don't know to a Rungvisai round. Last time I gave round 11 to Gonzalez for ring generalship. This time I gave Rungvisai the round for looking fresher and stronger. I gave Rungvisai round 8 as a mercy round last time and because I wasn't paying much attention. This time I gave it to Gonzalez. Rounds 2 and 9 were close. I gave them to Gonzalez but I can see someone giving them to Rungvisai.

 

It's been a while since I've seen Gonzalez vs SRR 1, I remember thinking it was a close fight that Gonzalez won.

Rewatching it, I came to the same conclusion. I do feel a bit weird giving so many close rounds in a row to one fighter, but I can't give a round to one guy because he pulled a round closer than the previous few.

1 - 10 - 8 SRR
2 - 10 - 9 SRR
3 - 9 - 10 Gonzalez
4 - 9 - 10 Gonzalez
5 - 9 - 10 Gonzalez
6 - 8 - 10 Gonzalez
7 - 9 - 10 Gonzalez
8 - 9 - 10 Gonzalez
9 - 10 - 9 SRR
10 - 10 - 9 SRR
11 - 10 - 9 SRR
12 - 9 - 10 Gonzalez

114 - 112 Gonzalez

 

Since I already tallied our forum, I thought I'd go over to the scene and see how they scored it.
https://www.*******.com/forums/showthread.php?t=740164
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Laced Up
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Rungvisai
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Tie
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The Scene scores it 25-21-5 in slight favor of Gonzalez. Also, that place is ****ing toxic.

Media Scores
Associated Press 113-115 González
Mike Sloan
Sherdog.com 112-114 González
Scott Christ
BadLeftHook.com 112-114 González
Harold Lederman
HBO 112-114 González
Wil Esco
BadLeftHook.com 112-114 González
Brian Campbell
CBSSports.com 112-114 González
The Guardian 112-114 González
Patrick Stumberg
MMAMania.com 111-115 González
Kevin Iole
Yahoo.com 110-115 González
USA TODAY Sports 110-116 González
Steven Muehlhausen
SportingNews.com 110-116 González
Dan Rafael
ESPN.com 109-117 González
*******.com 113-113 Draw
Boxingmonthly.com 114-112 Gonzalez

 

Sorry, @OvidsExile, I'd hate to burst your bubble after such lengthy posts, but punch stats mean virtually nothing to me. Who cares about the punches that landed glancingly on arms when the other guy is landed fewer, but harder punches, clean? Not me. I like punches to hurt people, and Rungvisai clearly had a bigger affect on Román than vise versa. And he was still landing a lot.

So now, without watching it, I can't refute any scorecards, since I haven't seen it in ages. I'm just going with a card from 6 months ago that I used for my FOTW.