Shane Mosley Match Up

Oh yeah, it's really as simple as that, isn't it. atsch

 

Pac is held to really high standards here. Pac will be fighting a Mosley who is pretty much the same PBF fought. Fair enough for *****'s to think it was a good fight at the time, but in hindsight they still think its a good win for Floyd...lol. Yet that exact same Mosley is not good enough for Pac.

 

to be fair, its only the people who are actually making the mayweather pacquiao fight who know 'whos fault it is', and them that do know are obviously gonna make it out to be the other party, so all the speculation and finger pointing on here is a waste of energy typing and time reading!

 

Mosley practically begged Pac and Roach for the fight when Mosley was the number 1 ranked welterweight and they decided on post-Margo Cotto because Shane was "too good".

Mayweather steps up and beats him up and then Shane looks lackluster against Mora, so now Roach and Pac decide to take the fight.

Please do not compare the two scenarios.

 

Completely irrelevant isnt it... Here let me spell it out for you, lets put numbers in to quantify it so its easier to understand for simpletons like you.

Mosley skill level beating ODLH = 100/100
Mosley skill level beating Mayorga = 60/100
Mosley skill level beating Margo = 60/100
Mosley skill level loosing to PBF = 50/100
Mosley skill level loosing to Mora = 50/100

Mosley skill level fighting Pac = 50/100


Sure, I have nothing against PBF taking the fight against Mosley, in fact I think it was a great option at the time, though I maintain he was forced into it.

However, knowing what we know now, Im not discussing the righteousness of taking the fight, Im discussing the fighter they are fighting. The fighter both PBF and Pac are fighting in Mosley, are of the same skill level and equal shotness. Perception of how good Mosley was before the fight is irrelvant in assessing how good the opponent they actually fought was. Its only relevant in assessing on who took a bigger risk. In this instance, YES, PBF took a much bigger risk...but there's no denying that at the end of the day, they are fighting the same level of fighter.

A simple analogy for you would be 2 people going to see a movie, clash of the titans.

Person A sees it because it got a lot of hype. Thinks it was shite.

Person B sees it despite all his friends telling him its shite and its already lost its hype. He thinks it was shite.

Whatever their perception of how good the film was gonna be pre-seeing it, they still went to see the same movie!

Yes PBF gets more credit for taking more risk, however if you think Mosley is an utter shite opponent for Pac, then in HINDSIGHT, you must think Mosley was a shite opponent for PBF too and doesnt do anything for his legacy. Will you admit to that?

 

yes

 

Not really. Perception is everything. Mosley was coming off two KO victories and was widely known as the 3rd best P4P fighter in the sport when Mayweather fought him. Is he even considered top 30 now after a L and a D in his last two fights?

It's impossible to quantify the level of shotness between that Mosley and the one that Pac will face because 1. there's no scientific way to gauge it and 2. the fight hasn't happened yet. You may very well be 100% accurate though and I know there are a lot of folks that would agree with your little scale above. Pac obviously doesn't agree with you or else he would have accepted the fight against Shane instead of opting for Cotto.

IMO, the best boxers should face the best fighters who have shown their brilliance in recent fights. I love Shane (no homo) and I'll be watching on 5/7 but there is no way in hell he should have been selected for this fight. The reasons why he was selected are 1 he is no longer with GBP and 2 he is viewed as easy pick'ns after looking like **** lately.

 

He looked **** against PBF and Mora because their 2 completely different styles compared to Margo. Both guys are slicksterz whereas Margo is "Hey Shane, here's my chin, lets see if you cant dent it" and Mosley happily obliged.

If perception is everything, I dont see you giving too much credit for Pac-DLH victory, and if we base it on perception then that was a much greater win as Pac was a big underdog, PBF was a strong favourite.

Like I said, Im not arguing perceptions, I already conceded that PBF took the much bigger risk but its kinda irrelevant when reviewing what fighter they really fought in hindsight.

Like I said, using the movie analogy, perception of how good the movie was before seeing it doesnt change the fact that both saw the same **** movie. Perception of how good Mosley was before fighting him doesnt change the fact that both are fighting the same shot Mosley.

Yes there is no way to quantify what level Mosley is on now, however we can all generally agree on a ballpark. Saying a Mosley who hasnt fought in 18 months was that much close to prime than the Mosley Pac is about to fight would be...."reaching".

Anyways you wont change your mind about it, we'll agree to disagree

 

atsch More like he was forced into fighting Shane than stepping up. Mayweather didn't have any other "good" options. Berto pulled out from the Mosley fight due to the disaster in Haiti so Berto wasn't an option. Paul Williams wasn't even considered and was fighting at middleweigh I believe in that time. So what other good names were there at 147lbs not named Pac, Berto or Williams? Mayweather couldn't fight Matthew Hatton because it just would not sell and it would of looked bad on him. I will admit, I thought Mosley/Floyd would of been a close fight but Mosley just showed he doesn't have it in him anymore. Not taking credit away from Floyd, he fought a very smart and good fight.

And as for Pac/Mosley...:rofl But then again what other options does Pac have not named Mayweather? Marquez will be good ONLY at 135lbs. Berto will also be good but not a real test for Pac. Berto had trouble beating Collazo! People say Martinez but Martinez is too big and wont fight below 155lbs and Pac can't even do 150lbs even if he tried.

 

How is the risk factor irrelevant? What is there to boxing other than taking risks? JMM is a riskier fight for Pac than Mosley. So is Berto. That's why fans want to see those fights. Mosley was viewed as the 2nd biggest risk for Mayweather when the fight was signed, that's why it was such a big fight.

DLH was a risky fight for Pac. So was Cotto. Other than those two, he hasn't really had one since the last JMM fight. You could argue Hatton but lifestyle and age made him a drained fighter at 140 plus he was already KTFO before Pac got ahold of him. Impressive and shocking KO nonetheless and a nice feather to add to the cap.

So, agree to disagree is right!

Merry Christmas dangerousity. :thumbsup

 

Not the most attractive fight but let's face it if pac fought berto or marquez the same haters would be saying some BS too.

marquez--too small-too old-already loss to floyd
Berto--too green- not proven
mosley--old old old

So until mayweather grow some cajones we're stuck with pacquaio fighting fighters who would be too easy for him to beat.