Should Bute have been counted out against Andrade?

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Can you link to or quote this rule? Because the IBF rules that were in force for this fight clearly say differently, and they have already been quoted in this thread and several hundred times previously.
     
  2. v2k987

    v2k987 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know!! I agree with you man!!
     
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    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    I went out with a couple of Romanian girls in high school.. smokin hot.:yep
     
  4. WesT

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    He wasn't saved by the bell he was up in fighting position
     
  5. Suga

    Suga Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All right I was exagerating a bit :lol: But still.
     
  6. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    he was zoned out... the same way malignaggi got saved by smoger.

    and this is after that long ass count while he was sitting in the corner like a baby lamb
     
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    :good
     
  8. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    It seems that most people don't understand what 'saved by the bell' means in terms of actual boxing rules.

    It simply means that the bell cannot stop a count. Bute went down with a couple of seconds left in the round, being saved by the bell would have been the bell ringing two seconds into the count, the referee stopping counting with Bute still slumped on the floor and the fight going to the cards. Bute was not saved by the bell, that's why the count had to be completed and he still had to get up.
     
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    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    If Bute was American...the brits would **** on him and call him an american hype job...

    and i would sadly agree.
     
  10. Pound4poundx

    Pound4poundx Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was at that fight (although pretty high up) and I remember thinking that Bute beat the count legitimately but was unfit to continue. Had Marlon Wright stopped the fight with no time left on the clock then it would have caused a riot at the Bell Center.
     
  11. Kavgenik

    Kavgenik ESB Belt Holder Full Member

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    That is your speculation so STFU, facts are that Andrade was out of the neutral corner, an as the rules say it, he should of stayed in the neutral corner. But all this is irrevelant due to the fact that there were only 2 seconds left on the clock when Bute got dropped. He WAS KO"ed BUT, At the end of the 12th round when there isn't anymore time on the clock, The fighter only has to get up his feet and the round is over, there is no need for him to be able to continue, because there is no time left

    The difference with Meldrick Taylor vs JCC, is that there were still time on the clock after the 10 count, there were 5 seconds to the fight left.

    Bute even with an "normal" 10 count wouldn't have had any time on the clock left

    THAT is a major difference between the two fights, and IS the only reason you can't compare the two of them
     
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    But since he is not American the Yanks & Brits are shitting on him and call him overated , and put him as low as they can in their top10 at 168 pounds.
     
  13. SnapBackJab

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    A GREAT come back victory and moment was ruined and instead we have a controversial call left for debate for years to come. I know one thing if Richard Steele was ref that night the outcome would have been different.
     
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    this **** is sickening, truly pathetic
     
  15. BigBone

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    It is a basic boxing rule regardless of organizations. The referee in every case much check the fighters condition after the mandatory 8 count and decide to stop it or let him fight. It is also a basic rule that the timekeeper must wait for the ref if there's an incident at the end of a round, such as a knockdown being counted. Take a look at the video: the ref issues the mandatory 8, but "forgets" to check Bute's condition (because he was clearly in no fighting shape), and lets him continue, and only then the bell sounds! I call myself a Bute fan and he kicked Librado's ass in the rematch so this argument is badly out of date. But Marlon Wright clearly made a wrong decision letting Bute finish when he was in no shape.